When the Giants Come to Town, It's Bye-Bye Baby

08.01.2007
America's Most Livable City!

P.M. UPDATE: Guess who’s among this writer’s top-eight prospects to change hands at the deadline? R-A-J-A-I Rajai Rajai Rajai! Smith writes: “Davis lacks any upside but in an organization about to enter a rebuilding mode, swapping an overpaid Morris for a leadoff hitter-to-be is as good a move as can be made.”

More kudos, from BP’s Christina Kahrl (no Sabean fan, she): “Sabean just reaped an outstanding financial divided that should help greatly in making over the team in the winter to come. It may not be a repeatable achievement, but this ranks among the better deadline moves made by anybody.”

OK, Brian, so far so good. Now let’s see you make a good trade with someone whose skills at running a franchise extend beyond one of those KFC/Taco Bell hybrid huts. Hello, I’m Dave, and the word of the day is “crunchewmelty”!

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Matt Morris is not a happy camper, and he hasn't been one for a while. A couple weeks ago he loosened his tent flap and told the world the Giants seemed more interested in milking the Bondstravaganza than, um, hello, winning ballgames?

Hearing yesterday that he'd been steel-toed out of town, Morris had more choice words: "It is what it is."

Pittsburgh is what it is — Matt Morris’s new home — mainly because Morris pitched like a friendly Jugs machine the past month (motto: “Everyone Loves to Hit!”). A few more solid outings, and he might have been chasing a playoff spot with Atlanta, Philadelphia, or Seattle.  

I've been to Pittsburgh in the summer, and I found it green and leafy and hilly, a bit like San Francisco but with more river, more humidity, and more fried food. It's got a fine scientifically-minded university and a football team everyone is nuts about. Their baseball team leaves a lot to be desired. So does ours, but theirs might be better to pitch for. Again, here's Morris:

"I'm excited about getting back to the NL Central and getting some better defense and some young guys out there who are looking to play hard," Morris said.

That, ladies and germs, is known as a parting shot. So is this:

"It's been hard (in San Francisco) - it's almost been that you start to accept it (losing) and I hate to say that, unfortunately. It was different. I was used to (Cardinals manager) Tony La Russa in the past and he kind of runs the show and there's a lot of structure. I went to the Giants where it was totally opposite, a different, laid-back feeling.''

It's easy to dimiss Morris's comments as sour grapes. But let's assume for a moment he speaks the truth, that the Giant clubhouse is too laid-back. Implicit in his LaRussa comment: Bruce Bochy does not run the show, and I’ll give you three seconds to guess who does. 

Next year will be a high-profile clubhouse chemistry experiment: what happens when you remove the best offensive player and the most distracting clubhouse element all in one go? Will the extra harmony quickly be smothered by all the extra-crappy offense? Will the good cheer help oil the gears of a precise, energetic, well-honed small-ball strategy?

If a Bonds-less Giants return to respectability next year, the proponents of chemistry — not to mention the Bonds haters — will pump their fists in glee. I can see the headlines now: “Bye-Bye Barry: Addition by Subtraction.” (Hey, not bad. I should do this for a living.)

But there will be no return to respectability, even mediocrity, if the best cleanup hitter the Giants can find next year is Ray Durham.

Near-future agenda: In the next 30 days, Sabean will keep trying to trade veterans who clear waivers. Also on his to-do list: pluck the player-to-be-named from the Pirates’ farm system. There’s an excellent discussion on the McChronic about the possibilities.



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[August 1, 2007 3:28 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Dave said

I am not yet convinced that Bonds will be gone next year. His production will be difficult if not impossible to replace which makes for a strong baseball related decision to bring him back. He is also the draw. Lincecum only plays every 5th day. I just can't see Magowan willfully okaying a marketing campaign built around Randy Winn.

[August 1, 2007 4:44 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Frank said

I agree with Dave. Of all the position players on the team, Bonds makes the most sense to bring back. Say he declines precipitously (for Bonds), he'll be, what? the 30th best offensive player in MLB? He ought to be brought back to play 2/3 games or even every other day, whcih would be perfect for our team's needs of giving young guys playing time. He sells tickets, not an easy thing to do with a rebuilding team, and he only takes up 1/2 a position, so he's not really taking that much playing time from another player. (My idea is to scour the splits to find a guy who hits really well in day games, not so much in night games).

[August 1, 2007 4:48 PM]  |  link  |  reply
BawLa said

Lefty - I have something to share with you that you will probably appreciate. After the game yesterday I was so drunk that my buddy convinced me to watch yesterday's TIVO'ed episode of Jeopardy. It happened to be celebrity Jeopardy and guess who was on...none other than the great douchebag himself... Curt Schilling.

Obviously because it was celebrity jeopardy, they had ridiculously easy questions. The only thing that kept me entertained was watching Curt fail to answer anything other than questions a 10 year old could answer.

The highlight of the night:

Clue - "The San Francisco Treat"

And Curt jumped the jun on the buzzer so he was on the spot and completely dropped the ball. I mean I don't know how far Rice-a-Roni ships their product, but I have got to believe that the east coast has to have seen it before.

If you can find a replay of it on uTube or something I suggest you watch it. Curt ended with $0 and all of it went to charity. Good job Curt, way to be.

[August 1, 2007 4:52 PM]  |  link  |  reply
bigO said

"My idea is to scour the splits to find a guy who hits really well in day games, not so much in night games)."

we already have him and his name is Bonds. He should sit out the night beforehand games and then play the day game. He'd get an entire day/night off and then play the day game (I have nothing scientific but he always seems to do better). Then he'd have the the night/day off before the next game (usually a night game or a travel day).

[August 1, 2007 4:55 PM]  |  link  |  reply
BawLa said

Dave - how hard of a marketing campaign will Magowan have when he brings in the next Bonds?

And by clearing up more financial room by trading Morris, bringing in A-Rod has just become that much more of a possibility.

[August 1, 2007 4:59 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Dave said

If Arod signs on with the Giants then Mags has his new draw. Personally, I would be very surprised to see AROD on the Giants but youneverknow..

[August 1, 2007 5:12 PM]  |  link  |  reply
bigO said

ARod is not going to be a Giant. We have way too many holes to feel anyway. I bet he opts out of his contract and then resigns with the Yankees.

[August 1, 2007 5:29 PM]  |  link  |  reply
bigO said

to many holes to fill so I feel ARod will not be a Giant

[August 1, 2007 6:30 PM]  |  link  |  reply
ELM said

Remember it's a two-way street. A-Rod has to want to sign with SF, and the only way he will (in my opinion) is if SF overpays the way Tom Hicks did back in 2000. I'd rather see the Giants trade Lowry for a couple legit young hitters and save the money to sign draft picks and other good but not bank-breaking FAs.

[August 1, 2007 8:21 PM]  |  link  |  reply
wperry said

If the Giants are going to trade Lowry(and I wish they wouldn't), How about Lowry +prospect for Alex Rios ? Rios is about to go FA and should get somewhere between $9 and $11M per,IMO. If Bonds is gone,the salary's there, and he provides good RH Power (a plus at AT&T), and reasonable defensive skills.

The downside of a deal like that is that the Giants strongest young position players on the Farm and playing up are outfielders.

The 'Jays really need LHSP, and with his contract, he's a good value, controllable for through 2009, and should do well in Rogers Centre, Arena whatever.

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[August 1, 2007 8:30 PM]  |  link  |  reply
ELM said

>How about Lowry +prospect for Alex Rios ?

Why trade Lowry for someone who'll soon be a free agent?

[August 1, 2007 8:54 PM]  |  link  |  reply
steveb said

How much would be too much for A-Rod?

A lineup with the home run king (Bonds) and home run prince (A-Rod) would be an incredible even historic draw whether the team is winning or not. Mix in the young high up-side pitching and the Giants could very well play better than .500 ball.

[August 2, 2007 9:46 AM]  |  link  |  reply
bbstucco said

Anyone catch Davis last night? That's some serious speed! That's what we were told Roberts would be. Not just offensively, but defensively, cutting down that runner at 2nd.

And he went 1-4, but was one base twice, and really, most Giants wouldn't have beat out Furcal's throw after he made the bobble. It was an error, but alomst any other Giant and it would have been an out.

My eyebrows were raised, at least. Maybe Sabs did more than dump salary?

[August 2, 2007 11:18 AM]  |  link  |  reply
Chris said

The play he made to throw out Martinez was very nice. He ran a long way to cut the ball off and then fired a strike to 2nd to nail Martinez by about 10 feet.

I think Martinez didn't know the book on Davis and wasn't running all the way out but it was still a nice play.

Love the speed, he looks to be very fast and I hope he can work on contact to get the ball in play to utilize that speed.

I think OGC, mentioned it before but it would be good to see Roberts work with Davis too. If can learn to get jumps like Roberts, with that speed he could steal a few bags.

[August 2, 2007 11:52 AM]  |  link  |  reply
ELM said

at the least, Davis should be Roberts' platoon partner next year. The parallels are interesting, as Roberts didn't get more than 150 at-bats in a season until he was 30. So he knows about being a late bloomer; perhaps Davis can be one, as well.

[August 2, 2007 11:53 AM]  |  link  |  reply
bigO said

I couldn't help but be reminded how "speed kills." I have to admit that Furcal and Pierre running around the bases was quite impressive. Speed like that, playing small ball with our pitching could serve us well at our park in SF. When Furcal walked I thought "there's a run."

[August 2, 2007 11:56 AM]  |  link  |  reply
bigO said

By the way: I passed on a free (lower box) ticket to last nights Mariners/Angels game (turned out to be a great game with lots of excitement) so I could watch Lincecum and Bonds on the tube (I don't get to see many games up here). I won't make that mistake again.

[August 2, 2007 3:05 PM]  |  link  |  reply
obsessivegiantscompulsive said

I heard on the radio last night that Lewis was asked about Davis's speed because they played in the same league at one point and he said that Davis was the faster player by far. And BA rated Lewis our best athlete (MacBryde won fastest for us; Davis won fastest for Pirates)

Yeah, I'm assuming Davis will be Robert's platoon buddy next year plus maybe get some games in at the corners if Bonds isn't playing for us and the Giants have Roberts, Winn, Davis, Lewis, and Schierholtz in the OF. They needed his RH bat to balance things in the OF, and I don't think Lewis and Schierholtz have much to prove in AAA, it's showtime!

Davis with Roberts/Wills techniques could be a monster, Roberts has a high percentage, around 90%, that would have boosted Davis's steals from the 40's to the 50's, assuming the same # of steal attempts. But if he got better, he probably would get the green light more often.

Just realized, Davis could be another Juan Pierre. They steal a lot. Probably can hit for high average but walk too little for below average OBP, though don't strike out that much. No power. And I didn't care much for Pierre (but then that was for $10M a year, not league minimum). So if Davis can duplicate that, at least he'll be a useful player.

I'm hoping Misch gets to start and do well the rest of this season, which would free the Giants to trade Lowry by mid-next season for a package of almost ready hitters. If Lowry catches on fire (he has two good starts in a row now) in August like past Augusts, there will be teams desperate for him by the end of this waiver trade month.

However, I fear (and assume) that another team will make a waiver claim on Lowry and screw that scenario up.

I was hesistant to trade Lowry before, but if we are really rebuilding 2008, we "only" have him for 3 more years after that, and odds are 2009 will probably be a struggle too unless we luck out with free agent signings. Plus Misch has been so dominating as a reliever with no real fastball that I don't see why he can't duplicate this as a starter, making Lowry tradeable.

[August 2, 2007 6:24 PM]  |  link  |  reply
obsessivegiantscompulsive said

Among the teams who passed on Morris for other options, Lohse's debut with Phillies lasts 1 IP.