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04.03.2008
4/2/08: Zoiks
Giants 2, Dodgers 1: When is a win not a win not a win? When you see the health of the franchise, or The Franchise, flash before your eyes. Big Papi Malo was asleep by the time the rain stopped, thanks to the daily grind of new fatherhood, and didn't catch Lincecum's outing or the discussion about Bochy's decision. I'll step aside and defer to your opinions today. PLODAG: Lincecum I've changed my mind. I'm giving this one to the much-maligned bullpen. On a wacky night, four relievers allowed three baserunners -- only one walk! -- and no runs in five innings. The Upside: Merkin Valdez. Emergency start, two perfect innings, four strikeouts. Hair-raisin'!
Bochy and his staff: Dumb-asses? Discuss.
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A quick take on Boch: last year was too much of a circus to judge Boch. As noted above, he was extra-careful with Lincecum, he didn't ride Cain too hard. The bullpen was a mess, but he inherited the Benitez problem.
He played the veterans a lot, but the youngsters got a decent shot. Ortmeier was the starting 1b for two months, Frandsen the 2b and Wilson the closer for the last month or so.
This year is truly the barometer. Protect the franchise pitchers, build a decent bullpen, and play the young hitters. That's Bochy's job.
>> he didn't ride Cain too hard.
I disagree Lefty, I think he rode Cain moderately hard. Cain was 8th in the entire majors in Pitcher Abuse Points -- a BP metric -- behind constant workhorse Livan Hernandez.
From May 19th to June 16th, almost a month, Cain threw 110 pitches or more in 6 straight starts. Including a season high 123 on June 10th against the A's.
He had another similar stretch between July 28th to August 28th. On July 28th, Cain threw 121 pitches and then pitched 6 straight starts in which he threw 100 pitches or more.
Cain's walk issues will drive up his pitch total from time to time, but I think Bochy leaned on Cain quite hard last year. And with the injury nexus for pitching being somewhere around 24-years-old (Cain is 23 this year) I'm a tad concerned with his usage.
I think because of his body type -- which may or may not help him with durability -- Bochy used him quite strenuously at times, and in my opinion, too harshly.
Chris, thanks for pointing that out. I stand corrected.
Boch needs to be more careful, but Cain and Lincecum also need to learn to be more efficient. Reaching 100 pitches by the 5th or 6th is tough on everyone -- including the bullpen. The Dodgers were good at extending at-bats against both of them.
Cain had terrible luck last year, but he also had games where he walked too many, or let too many batters have extended at-bats, and couldnt get into the late innings. I'm not blaming him; it's part of his learning curve. But he needs to be more efficient.
Same goes for Zito. Too many extended at-bats. But with his diminished stuff, that's a different story.
natteringnabob
replied to ELM
I lost a long post on McC making the same point. These weren't just bad Lincecum decisions.
If Yabu is the long guy, he's supposed to be used in this kind of situation. (In fairness, I think the first mistake on that note was NOT using him a lot in the opening game. He could have pitched more than he did, or should have, and then someone else would have been available for extra work or the spot start. Which, from what I have read, is what teams do with long relievers).
Then, Merkin throws 25 pitches and two perfect innings... and he gets yanked? With an off day the next day? I don't get it.
Taschner: fine. But again, only one inning with an off day the next? If you're going to use him, maybe he can go for more than one inning.
Lincecum: It seems very stupid to tell the phenom, 10 minutes before he's supposed to start, that he isn't. Because the OPPOSING MANAGER told you and it seemed like a good idea. Maybe the promise was that he would pitch the end of the game. BUT even if that's the case, once it does rain, you look like a drooling idiot when you go back to the kid to tell him he's running out again, to endure the risk (if there was a risk) you were supposed to be saving him from anyway.
And, Hennessey was doing nothing. I realize he didn't pitch well on Monday, and it's nice to not get swept by the Fodgers, but again I don't see why he needed to be fresh for the flight to Milwaukee either.
The first two games were bad because of all the bad play/mistakes. This game was bad because some nice performances (especially Merkin's, and Lincecum SCORING THE WINNING RUN) were obscured by all this foolishness.
Thinking outside the box is good. Taking all the advantages gained by doing so, bundling them into the fireplace, lighting them on fire, and then tossing in a full gas can? Not good.
By the way, give Joe Torre credit for the idea, not Bochy. Bochy wouldn't have done it if he hadn't heard about Torre doing it a few minutes earlier.
nattering nabob
replied to johnP
No, Torre made an unconventional decision. Bochy copied that decision and then made (or compounded) several more foolish decisions on pitcher usage.
It's great to win a game, but if it's the only one for another week and messes up the bullpen and rotation for several days after, it's a bit pyrrhic. It's one thing to see Bocock or another kid goof up, but a supposedly-experienced manager should be doing a better job with pitcher management than Felipe.
Apropos of nothing: for some reason, I had wondered if "johnp" was John Perricone. Now I know they are separate individuals (assuming John doesn't like to berate himself on other people's boards).
>assuming John doesn't like to berate himself on other people's boards
It's Dr. Perricone and Mr. JohnP Hyde! Gaaaaah!
"manager's efforts to impede and/or destroy the long-term development of the ONLY VALUABLE YOUNG PLAYERS ON THE ENTIRE TEAM?!?!?!"
You *actually* think he is *trying* to *destroy* the development of anyone? Dude - really???
I cannot keep up a debate with you. Your logic is beyond my comprehension.
Peace.
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I don't get it. They treated Lincecum probably over-carefully last year when they shelved him at the end of the season, and this spring when he had that groin pull. Then they put him back in after a rain delay? Between this and allowing Cainer to throw 114 pitches the other night, I'm thinking the managing staff has gone loco. Are they trying to literally hurt the only thing our team has to look forward to this year and down the road?
Excellent pitching by the staff. We're going to need a lot more games like this one this season.