When the Giants Come to Town, It's Bye-Bye Baby

07.08.2008
Summer Teeth and Smoke Jumping

I’m back and ready to dive into the daily grind. Forgive me if I discuss a few older items, but I’ve been marginally in touch the past two weeks, dodging fires and smoke, paying exorbitant gas prices in tiny mountain towns and helping a very cranky Malita Monkeypants bring forth her first tooth — the left front lower incisor, let the record show.

Here and there I caught an inning or two at a cable-outfitted pizza joint, and sometimes I scrounged two-day-old Reno Gazette-Journals to find a boxscore. Oddest moment: walking past a bar, the front door open and the TV tuned to the game, I spotted #56 on the mound for the Giants. They were playing at home so he had no name on his jersey, and I mumbled under my breath, “I’ll bet that’s Osiris Matos.”

“What?” said Mrs. Malo. She didn’t know that I had caught a glimpse of the game through the open door.

“Um, Osiris Matos.”

“I don’t even know what that means,” she said. “It sounds like a planet. Or a flower.”  

That’s all I caught of the game. I couldn’t even see the score, and all that night I kept obsessing over this new Giant, this mysterious 56. (It was indeed Matos, a.k.a. Sixth Rock from the Sun.)

The next day I was preoccupied with exquisite pain. To top off our vacation, we hit one of my favorite Tahoe-area day hikes, the Shirley Canyon trail that follows Squaw Creek from the floor of Squaw Valley to Shirley Lake, then on up to High Camp and the gondola terminal. It’s 2000 feet of elevation gain in less than three miles, with spectacular cascades, rock scrambles and snow patches to negotiate, and riotous wildflower blooms to admire. I’ve done it before, but never with 38–year-old knees and 25 pounds of Monkeypants on my back. My ass done been kicked.

Perhaps this is the ibuprofen talking, but despite all the roster moves and Barry Zito’s fantastic start against the Dodgers, I reckon the most important thing that happened while I was gone was the All-Star selection of Tim Lincecum and Brian Wilson.

Here’s why: The Giants have been mocked locally and globally for losing their way the past few years. And while no one is tabbing the team, only five games back in the NL West, as a dark-horse division winner — or even a candidate for a shocking turn-around in 2009 (not yet, anyway) — the All-Star selections give the rest of the country the chance to see what you and I have noticed since late April: the Giants aren’t a laughingstock.

Add to the All-Star hype Tom Verducci’s Sports Illustrated cover story on Lincecum — which I read while shopping at Safeway — and you’ve got a mini-revival, a blip of recovered pride, for an embarrassed franchise. (If you haven’t read the SI article on Lincecum, please do so. Verducci does a nice job explaining pitching mechanics for a general audience.)

For those following the team every day, the national recognition is a nice exclamation point on the first half. It’s about as a good a run as any projected 91–game loser could have for several reasons:

* It’s not 100 losses.

* Several young players have either established themselves (Sanchez, Wilson, Lewis, Bowker) or given glimpses of talent (Burriss, Denker, Horwitz). Even the guys who have bounced up and down (Velez, Sadler, Misch, Holm) have at least defined their weaknesses and given the team a chance for up-close evaluation. Velez is back as of today, so we’ll see first-hand if he’s improved his defense and baserunning.  

* The off-season acquisitions have made sense, whether cheap (Castillo, Yabu) or expensive (Rowand).

* The farm system continues to improve, thanks in large part to two consecutive strong drafts.

And today’s news reports bring the most emphatic word yet that Giants brass is disinclined to make short-term trades before the upcoming deadline. Here’s Sabean in the Merc:

"We've got some disposable money and we'll explore everything. But we've completely changed our tune. We're not interested in the year-to-year planning we've done in the past. While you'd like to add a bat to the lineup, we're not going to add (an impending) free agent. And to get somebody of note, they'll want pitching we're not going to give up. If everybody can understand that, you can understand why we would or wouldn't do something."

Second-best thing that happened while I was gone: Sergio Romo’s moustache. I’d show you a picture, but a Google image search on “Sergio Romo moustache” came up empty. However, it returned Rosie O’Donnell’s face photoshopped onto Khalid Sheik Mohammad’s body (result #2) and the scary Terminator metal skeleton (result #4).

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SMALL PRINT UPDATE: Roster moves aplenty. Sadler down, Matos up. Holm down, Eliezer Alfonzo up. Horwitz down, Velez up, which means the Giants have three outfielders and eight infielders on their roster. Velez can play OF, but it’s a dicey proposition.



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[July 8, 2008 3:04 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Chris said

Welcome back, Lefty.

That Sabean quote made me happy but I was reluctant to read that he wasn't going to trade Winn or Molina. Whether that's GM sneakiness or not, is anyone's guess.

[July 8, 2008 3:05 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Chris replied to Chris

I'll also add that I can see the reason for hanging on to Molina for now, but I think Winn should be actively shopped.

[July 8, 2008 3:42 PM]  |  link  |  reply
ELM replied to Chris

Trading Molina now would be a bad idea, unless someone bowls the Giants over with an offer. He's not blocking anyone between now and the end of the year, or even into next year unless Posey comes on strong.

[July 8, 2008 4:37 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Jason said

Welcome back!

Why not shop Molina for a younger up and coming catcher plus a prospect or 2? The Angels and Rangers have a nice surplus of catchers. I would love to see Molina stay with the Giants through the remainder of his contract, but lets face the fact that he is having a record year so far. He has absorbed the burden of having to carry alot of weight on his shoulders. His upside is HUGE right now.

The same goes for Winn. I like having him on the team but he has high upside right now.

Bottom line is you never know how these vet's are going to be playing through the rest of their contracts.

[July 9, 2008 12:03 AM]  |  link  |  reply
obsessivegiantscompulsive replied to Jason

Nobody is going to offer a younger, up and coming catcher for Molina, let alone another prospect or 2.

And it's not a record year, his OPS is about the same (low) OPS as last season, which was much lower than his two prior seasons, and he's had a higher BA before, albeit just by a little bit.

He should have been rested more, but Holm wasn't that good a replacement after all; hopefully with Alfonzo up, he'll see more rest.

[July 9, 2008 2:03 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Jason replied to obsessivegiantscompulsive

You make Molina sound as untradeable as Omar Vizquel. I guarantee that any team which is making a run and looking to upgrade at catcher will have Molina on their top 3 list. I am not saying to just dump him, but rather shop him and see what we can get back as far as a younger and cheaper catcher. It would have to be someone with upside at the position obviously.

[July 9, 2008 1:00 AM]  |  link  |  reply
obsessivegiantscompulsive said

Welcome back, Lefty, thanks for sharing your vacation stories.

I read the Merc's story twice and there's nothing in there about not trading any vets, just that the Giants are not willing to trade their young pitching to get the hitting they currently need.

Oh, I see the Chron story omits Winn and Molina from the list of tradeables, so I guess that's the reference.

Personally, I don't know how accurate that is. He first lists them, noting "such as" which implies that they are examples, when he should have wrote more specifically what his source said, if that is how he got his information. Such ambiguity suggests that this is just his thoughts on the matter. Then he lists only those three vets stats at the bottom, implying that they are the only three in play.

I've seen baseball writers write up their speculations as though the GM said it, so I would take that with a grain of salt, since he did not note that a source told him that, plus it was not corroborated by another media source that I could find.

Also, if that is correct that only those three are in play, then another interpretation could be that the Giants might have already ran Winn and Molina names by teams already and found the offers of talent uncompelling or teams want cash thrown in because of both players having 2009 still on their contracts. I could go with either explanation, but particularly the latter for the lack of talent and/or interest.

In particular, the Giants really did not give up that much for Winn, so why would he fetch even that much now, a few years older and that much closer to retirement. And Molina isn't really hitting that well, either as a catcher and certainly not as a clean-up batter. I wonder how much his poor hitting there has costed the Giants runs relative to if Rowand was hitting there instead (or even Randy Winn).

In any case, I think Winn is more an offseason trade than now because of the extra year and my assumed unwillingness on the Giants part to give cash back this season. I think they will be more liberal with the cash next season since Schierholtz should be ready to come up by then, plus Horwitz and perhaps Bowker might be in the mix for the OF, depending on how things play out. Much like how they dumped Livan, except that the Giants aren't giving up the whole contract amount.

I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed until mid-2009, since Schierholtz isn't killing in AAA and teams might balk at paying his full salary. It might take a contending team losing their starting OF with no good backup being desperate enough to trade for Winn at that point.

Nice rundown of things that have gone well (relatively) for the Giants this season.

I would also add that the farm system has been helped greatly by international free agent signings, particularly Villalona, but also Henry Sosa, Waldis Joaquin, Wilber Bucardo, Shairon Schoop. Plus perhaps the rumored big deal for the OF Rodriguez.

[July 9, 2008 10:16 AM]  |  link  |  reply
Lyle replied to obsessivegiantscompulsive

Shairon, Sharlon, let's call the whole thing off.

[July 9, 2008 6:03 PM]  |  link  |  reply
obsessivegiantscompulsive replied to Lyle

Oops, thanks, missed that.

[July 9, 2008 12:20 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Zo said

Caution, Caution.
I like what Sabean says in the Merc. It makes sense and is either 1) the first time he has uttered the truth, or 2) a new realization of just how uncompetitive we are and will continue to be unless we think more than (the remainder of) one season in advance. Here is what I have gleaned from all this, mixed with a bit of hope for what it all means: We don't trade away good young players, especially pitching for a short term blip. We assess the free agent market, the trade market and the farm system youngsters equally for a potential future team. We do this assessment in a manner that lets the youngsters have a chance to make an impact, but does not commit us to them. We still have the most valuable currency there is, young pitching with huge upside. If we spend it, we must do so wisely.

Sounds like a good vacation. I find ibuprofen to be more effective when washed down with a large, cold martini.

[July 9, 2008 2:05 PM]  |  link  |  reply
ELM replied to Zo

>>I find ibuprofen to be more effective when washed down with a large, cold martini.

Quoth Chris Lincecum: "Ice is for injuries and for my drink."

Re. the latest round of Sabes-speak: He never comes right out and says things directly, but it's obvious to me he knows a trade for one big bat and a good bullpen arm isn't going to make this team a World Series contender. A short-term trade to squeak into the playoffs is not on the table.

I've seen criticism that he hasn't done a complete tear-down, ie, cutting or trading Durham, Aurilia, Molina, etc. But keeping those guys until now might actually have helped--both Durham and Aurilia have boosted their stock, it seems, at least beyond where they stood at the beginning of the year, without taking time away from ML-ready prospects. In fact, whether or not they trade Richie at the deadline, I say he's proven worthy of returning as a bench guy in 2009 on a cheap one-year contract. $1 M or so is good insurance in case Frandsen doesn't recover from his achilles injury and/or Castillo leaves (or stays and flops).

[July 9, 2008 6:21 PM]  |  link  |  reply
obsessivegiantscompulsive replied to ELM

Agree with you about Sabean.

A complete teardown would have been bad for a number of reason: 1) both Durham and Aurilia helped their value immensely, particularly Durham who looks like his old self. Any trade pre-season based on last season would have meant the Giants get a nothing prospect while giving the other team Durham's salary minus the major league minimum. Now, they might actually get someone worthwhile, similar to the Tucker trade that netted us Pichardo and Sweeney trade that got us Denker. I think Aurilia has raised his stock to that level as well. I think it's only a matter of time, mainly an injury of some sort, before either or both are traded; 2) neither has held back any viable prospect; 3) both have performed well enough offensively to help the young Giants pitchers do well, for all the hand-wringing people did about Cain losing all those games last season, none apparently realized that a total tear-down would have resulted in Lincecum and Sanchez having similar seasons to Cain last year; 4) both, particularly Aurilia, allowed the Giants to ease in youngsters into the starting lineup, particularly Bowker, letting them play in situations more favorable to them. That seems to have worked with Bowker, not so much with Velez at 2B.

As I wrote somewhere, keeping Winn and Molina probably are more a recognition that the market value for them is probably low due to their big contracts still for 2009 than any suspected Sabean sticking by his vets. Why pay out millions for teams to take your players when you can still use them?

Also, Schierholtz isn't tearing up AAA like he did in May, in fact, he's been pretty cold in June. May as well push out the start of his MLB career.