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I would do that deal in a heartbeat. It's tough to deal with the Cubs because their fans consistently overestimate the players, so this would cause a huge uproar in Chi-town, where it would be perceived as trading an "All Star" for a "journeyman." Only sabremetricians would appreciate how this deal would benefit the Cubs.
Lee also has a no-trade clause, which he would almost certainly use to finagle more $$ out of the Giants, thus making the deal less attractive financially.
What happened to that guy anyway? He's not that old - is it just injuries, or have the NL pitchers figured him out?
he had a wrist injury a couple years ago. perhaps that has sapped his power. But the 46-HR year was obviously an aberration; I'd be content with a 25 HR, .375 OBP / .500 SLG year with good defense. That's a little better than what he did in '08 but not as good as '07.
His strikeout rate and walk rate is about the same in recent years as 5 years ago, so his skills seem to be OK and not deteriorating much (K's a bit higher, BB's a bit lower).
He's more like a .365/.475/.840 OPS hitter, as his BABIP last season is about what he normally does.
However, his career has an odd cadence where he does well in odd years, meaning he's due for an upswing in 2009 based on that.
Great way to convert a surplus in the OF to a not just usable but still good 1B.
Maybe they might take Ishikawa as part of a LH platoon at 1B?
Sanchez for Encarnacion (repeat of last offseason's most proposed trade)?
Lefty, how serious do you think the Giants-Sabathia chatter that seems to have really ramped up today is?
I too would do this deal but I very much doubt if the Cubs would. They want left handed power not left handed OBP and speed.
I was actually just thinking of a deal with the Cubs for Winn, but not for Lee. My proposal was:
RF Winn to the Cubs
SP Marquis and SS Cedeno to the Giants
We'd actually lose a couple million in the deal, so maybe you get the Cubs to even it up. I know these guys aren't marquee players (sorry, I had to), but I think they do a few positive things for us.
(1) we get a young (26-year old) SS, who stops us from dumping our funds on the likes of Furcal or Renteria (!!). His range is meant to be very good, and he'd give Burriss a year to develop (maybe he learns from Ronny if he wins the 2b job from Franny). He's not going to help with run production, but he's not exactly an offensive black hole at that position either. If you're lucky, his OPS is 700, but then is Renteria going to score an 800? Not bloody likely. So you lose 50 points, or so.
(2) We get an innings-eating starter. Nothing flashy, walks a few too many, but will give you a fair 6 innings most of the time. Hey, who knows, maybe he improves some at the Phone Booth...
(3) Since we have some $$ leftover (remember, we left Beane to dish out Furcal's $40M), we can throw some dollars at another real big bat (Lee is not that). I doubt Teixeira will want us, but that would be ideal. Or you just save it, and let the young-ins play a little.
(3) Nate Schierholtz. Some risk, yes, but I think it's worth giving him a shot at this point. Especially if we are still "going young".
Anyone buying?
p.s. the other plus in this deal is that it is fairly realistic. The Cubbies have Theriot (or Furcal??) at short, and apparently they are ready to unload Marquis.
Has everyone on this post lost their minds? What makes you think anyone would want Winn and much less give up a semi-bonafide middle of the lineup bat to get him? Winn has zero trade value, his salary is too high and his production is sporadic at best. Maybe we can deal Rowand for Hanley Ramirez while were at it.
Lee doesn't make a difference in the Giants lineup anyway. The deal everyone needs to push for is Prince as he is still young, proven, and should have another 5-10 years of productivity left in him provided he doesn't live within 2 blocks of an In and Out burger.
To get Prince the Giants need to be willing to part with more then just Cain or Alderson. One of those two along with a couple other prospects and voila we have a solid 4th place hitter for the next half decade. We have more then enough pitching to feel comfortable about giving up a top prospect or Cain and if we want to win now we have to be willing to make sacrifices.
The real problem though is that Sabean would have trouble trading a Mickey Mantle rookie card for a bag of cracker jacks much less pulling this trade off. Neukom seems like he is a little sharper then Mcgowan so I suspect sabean won't last much longer and hopefully he takes bochy with him wherever he goes.
There is no way in holy Hell that I am giving up Matt Cain or anyone else for Prince Fielder. To think that the Giants should be willing to part with Cain AND prospects to take on that frame and lack of defense is amazing.
Seems like a lateral move. Winn and Lee are about equal as players. You unblock Schierholtz, but you reblock Ishikawa, who is probably just as good a bet as Schierholtz at this point.
Prince can mash plain and simple. We need a ligitimate middle of the order bat and the alternatives are Konerko, Lee, Uggla, Beltre, or Prince. Which one would you rather have? As for giving up Cain, we have Alderson, Pucetas, and Bumgarner all ready to take his place next year or the following so not a huge loss.
You are crazy..no way the Cubs trade Derek Lee, a potential MVP type of player for Winn. Maybe for a Fred Lewis and other prospects, but never for Winn. I woul dlove to have Derek Lee for two years, but probably not for Lewis to be honest with you.
>Derek Lee, a potential MVP type of player
Lee was MVP-caliber in 2005 but hasn't come close since. Could he have an MVP-type performance in the next two years? I guess it's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Remember, he's making a lot of money. Sometimes clearing that cash is enough to trade a player for lesser talent.
I definitely would do the Winn for Marquis-Cedeno deal if we are able to dump Zito on the Rangers..
Pretty sure any of us would give Winn away for nothing if we could dump Zito on the Rangers.