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I would rather go with the Sando/Aurilia/Burris/Frandsen/McClain combo than add Wiggi and lose someone promising off the 40 man
If the Giants re-sign Aurilia they will lose someone off the 40-man, too. This is probably worth a full post, but there are several marginal characters on the 40-man. Let's start with Bocock. Pat Misch is probably another. Ryan Rohlinger. And don't forget Dave Roberts, who I can't imagine being on the roster come April. My guess is the Giants will try to trade him, even eat most his salary, if not just release him.
Oops - that "anonymous" was me.
What about the Sanchez for Atkins rumor?? Atkins is ligit at the hot corner and even if it would only be for 1 year, he is someone who we could do a trade and sign with and tie him up for another 5 years. Sanchez is expendable, why isn't this deal getting done??? Otherwise Wigginton would be a fine short term solution and also reminds me a bit of Mark Lewis and David Bell...
Atkins is not as legit as you think: terrible glove, rapidly declining bat. I wouldn't trade Sanchez for him straight up. Read this.
Damn you, Lefty. You stole my post title. I was about to post about Wiggington on my site.
/bad guy voice
LEFTY MALOOOOOOO!
*shakes fist*
Why is there a contingent of Giants fans out there that actively wants to trade Sanchez. Now, I agree if we get a good return for Sanchez go for it. But some like Pato think we should trade him at all costs. Think about it this way: a number of smart people are predicting a breakout year for Sanchez next year, and here are some of the reasons why: before this season, the most innings he had pitched in one season (which was in the minors) was 125.2. In 2007 he pitched a total of 75.2 innings. In the first half of 2008, he put up a 3.97 ERA with 115 K's in 111 IP, a .696 OPS against (on a .302 BABIP, which I believe is very close to normal). In the second half in 47 innings he had a 7.47 ERA, .859 OPS against with 42 k's. Based on this, it's very reasonable to assume he tired out at the end of the year, and before that he showed he can be a legitimate #2 pitcher.
What I'm trying to say is we should not trade Sanchez for a mediocre player just because they're a position player. The potential reward for holding onto Sanchez for a year if he breaks out is huge. He goes from possibly bringing us Jorge Cantu or Atkins on a one year contract to bringing us a real impact, true middle of the order bat. Based on the offers we've seen for Sanchez thus far, we should not trade him...SO STOP PUSHING FOR IT.
That's a lot of man love for Sanchez. With Bumgarner and Alderson no more then 2 years away, something has to give with the current rotation and Sanchez is the weakest link. We aren't going to win anything with just pitching, at some point we have to trade some of our pitching for some offense. Hey B, did you cry when Matt Williams got traded??
The point is not that he's unwilling to trade Sanchez, the point is that trading Sanchez for any old player is selling low on him when he could be a top of the rotation guy next year that another team would give a good hitter up for.
And currently, there is nothing to give in the rotation, we are actually short a starter, Bumgarner and Alderson won't be up for at least another season, if not two.
Give Sanchez a year to blossom, sell him for a nice hitter next season.
While Wiggy did have a career year, I don't think anyone is thinking he is the next Matt Williams. I think, on a 1 year deal, he is a perfect fit. I know, I know, he played in a hitter friendly park, but his career lines put him up there with the best of all the Giants hitters (sad isn't it). Even at a 2 year deal, I still think he is the best option. 1- he's not blocking anyone(Gillespie is at least 2 season's away, and not a sure thing) 2- Pablo Sandoval is better suited first this year. 3- Barring a trade for Ryan Zimmerman, the other options are Joe Crede (bad back, can't field anymore), Rich Aurilia (we know what we are getting), Hank Blaylock (can't play third anymore), Edwin Encarnacion (E5), Jorge Cantu (not worth Sanchez), and Garrett Atkins (not worth Sanchez becasue he is already declining in all skills). I did a breakdown in all the players most likely available: http://nuschlersnews.blogspot.com/2008/12/third-base-solution.html
pato, I don't think something has to give...yet! I agree that at some point, at least 1 pitcher has to go. I just don't think there needs to be any rush. Neither Bumgarner nor Alderson can be counted on for the rotation next year, so unless the Giants get blown away with a trade offer for him, why not wait one more season? Even with Sanchez, the Giants are still one starter short. Lowry has given no indication he'll be back, Misch is unreliable, Palmer is gone, and Pucetas hasn't pitched above A ball. Don't be so quick to give him up. Maybe(but probably not) he is the next Liriano...
sorry, this annonymous was from Nuschlers news
Pato, you miss the point. We need hitting, we have more pitching than we need, I agree at some point we will trade pitching for hitting. However, to trade Sanchez now would be to sell low on him. None of the rumors/speculation (whether true or false) involving Sanchez has been on any players that would be worthwhile for the Giants in the long term. Sanchez has shown the potential to have a breakout season. He may or may not have that season this year. If he does, we can trade him next year for a very worthwhile hitter. If he doesn't, he'll be available for the same average at best players in return. Bumgardner/Alderson are unlikely to come up to the bigs next year, so all in all, there is no reason to trade Sanchez at this point unless someone decides they really want him and will give up something good.
I do agree with you and think we will and should move Sanchez at some point. We should just wait a year to do it.
totally agree with B. NN
Atkins can also play 1B if he can't hack it at third. His bat would automatically be the best in our lineup come opening day. If we sign another SP like Randy or Penny we could afford to trade Sanchez. Bumgarner and Alderson are on the fast track, at least one of them will be up by the end of next season.
Crede!
Jesus Guzman, a 3-bagger the Giants signed to a minor league deal last month, is on the verge of winning the Venezuelan Winter League Triple Crown. Statline: .364, 11 HRs, 56 RBIs through 48 games. He plays a little second base and OF, apparently. Don't know how well. But with him, Frandsen, Velez, et. al., I think we got super utility types covered.
Success in the VWL is no indication of success in the bigs. You know who's done well recently in Venezuela? Edgardo Alfonzo. Eliezer Alfonzo. Jose Castillo. Nuff said.
It's not just that he was in a hitter friendly park. His home OPS was over 1, and his road OPS was below .700. That's pretty friggin drastic.
Wigginton would be a terrific addition in SF with the wind blowing out to left. He's not much of a defender, but his versatility will allow the Giants to mask that by bringing in defensive replacements for him late in the game without losing his bat. Provided they have one anyway....
I wouldn't make too much of his splits from last season... all that means is he hits great in Houston. His career splits are much closer to even.
I have to agree with Lefty and others on this. There are no third basemen out there that are perfect. All of the young ones have some wishful thinking attached to them, and if they are not young, why bother? Sanchez may turn out no better than he was last year, but he is young and progressed a lot in 2008. At times, he was brilliant. Right now, his upside is far higher than his downside is low. Remember, pitching is more valuable currency than hitting. Always. And right now, there are no really juicy hitters on the block. Sometimes patience is best and this seems like one of those times.
"Sanchez has shown the potential to have a breakout season."
i understand that, but he has never proven that he can win games.he has never won over 9 games in a season..yes he can strike people out.but striking out 1per inning means nothing if hes giving up over 5 runs in a game.hes not a winner..i agree he has "potential" but that could be potentially NOTHING..hes not some young kid hes 27 (well we think hes 27)..his time to shine was last year and he showed flashes of mediocrity (ok im kinda hating)..his name is hot right now,and now is the time to trade em.thats just my opinion.