The Hot Stove is kicking out a lot of smoke; fire has yet to be confirmed. But here’s where things stand.
The Giants put one reliever smartly in the fold by signing Jeremy Affeldt early to a well-regarded deal. If Brian Sabean sticks to his guns, Bobby Howry or another set-up guy will follow soon. Throw in a few non-roster invites and the homegrown guys, and the bullpen mix will be ready for spring competition.
UPDATE: Bingo! Henry Schulman has the Howry-to-Giants scoop. It’s a one-year deal, detes to follow. Score one for the Schulminator!
The Edgar Renteria drama could play out for a while; that leaked 2–year/$18 M contract rumor makes me think Renteria’s peeps are willing to play some games, and now that Renteria won’t cost his new team draft picks, the games could drag on through next week’s Winter Meetings.
The underlying question is this: How desperate are the Giants to keep Manny Burriss away from the starting SS job next year? Was his defense in the Arizona League really that bad? One measure could be the amount of years and dollars they add to the rumored total of the rumored Renteria contract.
Who knows, maybe the Giants will let it ride on Burriss after all. Maybe they’ll go after someone like J.J. Hardy in a trade. But my guess is the Giants want to save their trading chips this winter for someone other than a shortstop.
As we approach the Winter Meetings, here’s my game plan:
* Offer Bobby Howry the same contract as Affeldt (2 years, $8 M). It would equal the money Howry made in 2007–08. If he balks, see if a sprinkling of extra incentives does the trick. If he insists on three years and/or higher annual average salary, strenuously kick other tires.
* Go hard after Renteria but only to a point. If the rumored 2/18 isn’t working, try a little more money. I’m leery of a third year, though making it a team option, or one that vests based on plate appearances might be palatable. If they can’t land Renteria, see if Orlando Cabrera is willing to sign on for a one-year deal with a team option. (Unlikely.) Failing that, if the Giants are absolutely set on giving Burriss more development time, find a cheap defensively minded SS in trade who won’t cost a top trading chip.
* Package Jonathan Sanchez and prospects for a very good third baseman. Ryan Zimmerman had an off-year in 2008 and is no sure bet to live up to his promise. Perhaps he can be pried loose without giving up Tim Alderson or Madison Bumgarner. Sanchez and Pucetas, perhaps Henry Sosa, too, for Zimmerman? Please, not Jorge Cantu.
* To fill Sanchez’s spot and hedge against Noah Lowry’s health, push hard to get a veteran starting pitcher on a one-year deal. Randy Johnson would be a coup. Jamie Moyer can still pitch. The trick is finding someone who is likely to throw 150+ innings at league average and not cost an arm and a leg.
* Find a taker for Dave Roberts. Eat half his salary if need be.
That’s enough for now. More moves — such as trading Randy Winn, Aaron Rowand or Bengie Molina — can happen in the spring or at the deadline as priorities shift. One possible post-winter meeting lineup and rotation:
LF Lewis
SS Renteria
RF Winn
3B Zimmerman
1B Sandoval
CF Rowand
C Molina
2B Frandsen/Burriss
P Lincecum/Cain/Johnson/Zito/5th Starter
Bench: Schierholtz, Velez, Ishikawa
A cheap defensively minded SS.... Like Omar? (sorry, couldn't resist)
LULZquel!
I agree that obtaining Cantu is not the right move. I would love to have Zimm but at what cost, I couldn't tell you. He has skills at 3B and has potential to be an upper tier 3B offensively. I can't see the National's letting him go yet without asking for a Cabrera bounty.
Lets send Roberts off in a PTBNL deal and yes eat a good portion of his contract. As long as he is sitting on the bench healthy, and making his contract, they will play him. I don't want him blocking a younger prospect.
P.S. Your Cantu link is looping back to your site. I think you want it going to http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/giants-closing.html.
According to Schulman, the Giants have signed Howry to a 1 year deal!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=22&entry_id=33208
Bullpen should be solid now but that leaves a few question marks regarding who the odd man out will be. Is it safe to say that Taschner is on his way out and these will be the six guns in the bullpen next year:
Wilson
Affeldt
Howry
Sadler
Hinshaw
Valdez??
As for your projected lineup, Winn proved last year that he can't bat 3rd but I wouldn't mind seeing if Lewis or Sandoval could provide some consistency there. Still not sold on Renteria and would hate to see 10 million committed to him next season that could affect a big free agent move kind of like the 10 million committed to Rowand and Winn that make this offseason difficult for acquiring big name talent.
I think Sadler is a question mark because of control, Valdez more so because of health. I see the bullpen more like this:
Wilson
Affeldt
Howry
Romo
Yabu (I believe he's still under team control)
Taschner, Sadler, Hinshaw, perhaps Matos and Misch fighting for spots. If Valdez is healthy, he moves to the first list.
Living in DC, I can tell you that Zimmerman is the only thing the Nats have going. He's the de facto face of their even more pathetic franchise. You'd be talking Cain/MadBum/Alderson to get him.
Like us, they are more offensively challenged then they are pitching - albeit barely, hence their rumored pursuits of Dunn and Teixeira.
Sanchez plus prospects for Uggla may be a bit more plausible, although it looks like Sabes is already engaging on Cantu.
I've never seen him play, so I'm not defending him, but why not Cantu? Yes, his D stats are pretty bad, especially at 3b, but he can play both 3b and 1b, aloowing lots of competition for playing time involving Ishi, Sando, maybe even Ort or Bowker. I am inclined to think, and please correct me if I'm wrong (I know you will), but 29 HRs in the NL east is pretty impressive, is it not? Playing in Fla, Atl, NY, Wash - all tend toward pitcher's parks, do they not? Only Philly is a hitter's park. Yes, the NL West parks are bigger still, but I would think the guy pretty much offers what we are looking for - certainly more than Dunn. And if the cost was only Sanchez and possibly a lower, inconsequential prospect, why wouldn't this be near perfect?
Other than 29 HRs, he didn't really have a great year last year. His .327 OBP is bad for a slugging corner infielder. Maybe he's poised to sustain his improvement. Maybe I'm overvaluing Sanchez. but I'm very worried Cantu just had his best year and the Marlins are selling high.
I want more for Sanchez than a Cantu. Just say no.
According to Yahoo's Tim Brown, the Giants "believe they are closing in on signing shortstop Edgar Renteria." Brown also says the Giants have discussed trading Jonathan Sanchez to the Marlins for Jorge Cantu. That'd be a steal for the Marlins, who plucked Cantu off the scrap heap in January for a half-million bucks.
If you think my rants have been bad up until now, wait and see how bitter I get if Sabes trades away Sanchez for this piece of garbage. Hard to remain optimistic with rumors like this flying around.
I am on the anti-Cantu bandwagon as well. Sorry Frank, Atlanta and Florida are not pitcher parks. The bloody humidity makes the balls fly in both locales and I am also in DC and the new park is more hitter friendly than RFK. Hitting in the NL West and the extra games in Oakland are all pitcher parks and I think Cantu will be back to a 20 homer hitter, we can do much better for Sanchez.
In full agreement with Hasan, the Nats are not going to let Zimemrman go for just Sanchez. He is thought of as the future franchise guy here (unless they sign Teixeira). I also dont see him as a cleanup hitter in El Lefty's potential lineup. He needs to hit in front of a slugger at his age or in the 5th spot.
Thanks for the comments on the NLE parks, Peter