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Giants 40-Man Roster
(w/2010 Salary, if known) PITCHERS
Affeldt (4.5 M)Bumgarner Cain (4.5 M) Hinshaw Joaquin S. Johnson Lincecum J. Martinez Medders (.85 M) Pucetas Romo Runzler J. Sanchez (2.1 M) H. Sosa B. Wilson (4.4 M) Zito (18.5 M) CATCHERS
Molina (4.5 M)
PoseyWhiteside INFIELDERS
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The more I see Sanchez pitch and hte troubles he has, the more I think that he should be the bait to lure us a big bat. the only problem I have with this though is that he will inevitably work some (maybe all) of his problems out on a different team and become the ace we all hope he could be.
Are the last two days the turning point for our offense? Probably not but where are we if we don't have hope
I think the Giants should shop Cain instead of Sanchez (see my post from two days ago on Cabrera for rationale). And Sanchez actually hasn't been that bad this year. Inconsistent, but when he is on he is so good that he is still helping the team more than he is hurting them, and he is on often enough. You are right. Trade him and he will be an ace elsewhere. Even last night he pitched 5 scoreless before running into trouble and all told he only gave up two runs (with excellent help from the pen). Also, IMO the Giants offense will continue to be boom-bust with more bust than boom without some higher OBP hitters in the middle of the line-up (esp. Molina).
>Trade him and he will be an ace elsewhere.
As a GM, you can't let this possibility keep you from trading a player. In fact, if this is the consensus around the league (which I'm not sure it is), it should help the giants get a healthy return for him.
BigWig, Sanchez' upside is not anywhere near what Cain's upside could be. He will be a Cy Young contender this year and you would rather trade him???? That does not make sense...
Yes it does make sense because he will bring so much more in exchange and is under the Giants' control for less time. The young middle of the order bat (probably plus a prospect) which Cain will bring in return as a young proven cost-controlled top of the rotation pitcher are substantially better than anything you could get for Sanchez as the trade rumors in the offseason demonstrate. I don't think you could get a good enough bat for Sanchez to make the deal worthwhile, although I would be ecstatic if Sabean pulled it off.
Actually, if Sanchez can harness all that he can do, he'll be a lot better than Cain. From Apr 9 to June 29 (2nd start to 17th start, or 16 games or half a season), Sanchez compiled a 3.31 ERA, better than any year Cain has had thus far. And he did that by striking out 94 in 98 IP, 8.6 K/9, way better than Cain ever did. However, Sanchez petered out after that, having a horrible July (8.57 ERA) followed by a nice six weeks with a 3.86 ERA (sandwiching a stint on the DL), before doing horribly in the last two weeks of the season.
That's why I don't want to trade him.
And trading Cain is about as idiotic a suggestion I've seen for the Giants to do for the past couple of years. Sure, if Bumgarner comes up and is as wonderful as we think he is, then Cain becomes extraneous, but right now (and over the past couple of seasons), trading him would only make a big hole in the pitching rotation, it's like the story of the boy at the dike, if he moves one finger to cover up a leak, he only releases another leaking stream. Trading Cain may fill one hole, but only causes another hole, and then the fans would be complaining about the pitching rotation. No thanks, just go with what we got, and see what we got, then fill holes over the off-season with free agents or maybe trades for salary.
The problem with this reasoning is that it takes into account only the pitching situation and not the offense. Of course trading Cain will create a hole in the Giants rotation. But the middle of the Giants line-up already has a huge hole and the water is not just leaking out it is gushing. Plus, although no one pitcher is certain as a Cain-replacement, it is extremely unlikely that none of them will work out as a replacement for Cain. Bumgarner is now the top prospect in the entire minors.
I was replying only to your "trading Cain is idiotic" comments, in case that was unclear. I agree regarding Sanchez.
Because we have so many good arms in the pipeline, trading Sanchez and his potential should not be a reason to move him now. We have three top of the order type of pitchers in Lincecum, Cain and Bumgardner. Sanchez as a #4 or #5 pitcher does not do us much, especially if you can get a legit hitter for him.
What do you all and Lefty think of my trade proposal?
Sanchez-Pucetas-Valdez-Guzman-Velez for Uggla-Cantu-Nolasco!
Marlins get the shakeup they apparently are looking for. They sent Nolasco down to the minors, so they lose a pitcher that they apparently have given up on, while they pick two potential quality starters and two potential offensive-minded hitters. We get two potential clean-up type of hitters and possibly a replacement for Sanchez at the bottom of the rotation in Nolasco if Bumgardner is not ready.
Thoughts? I really like Medders and Justin Miller, what a difference from the Yabu's and Matos' from last year...
Here is my potential 2011 lineup:
1) Burriss - SS
2) Fred Lewis - RF or LF
3) Sandoval - 3B
4) Cantu - 1B
5) Holliday - RF or LF (free agent pickup after this year if he has a better second half)
6) Uggla - 2B
7) Posey - C
8) Rowand - CF (if he has any legs left, thankfully he would have only one more year left)
Rotation:
1) Lincecum
2) Bumgardner
3) Cain
4) Zito (yes he is still there, year 5 of his contract, two more years left)
5) Alderson
The real question for me is, can the Giants create an environment that gives a struggling newbie like Ishikawa a legit chance to succeed? Under current management I seriously doubt it. He is on a day, off a day, on two days, off three days. For a fair evaluation he needs to be in there virtually everyday so he can get consistent looks at the plate and not press when given his sporadic opportunity. He was placed in a platoon immediately despite Bochy's public statements (twice) that he was not platooning him. Would Ishikawa make it if given a fair shot? I seriously have no clue. I think it could go either way. But he has enough attractive features as a player that tremendous patience is needed. I would give him at least a month of everyday action starting tomorrow, and perhaps until the all-star break, to see what sort of numbers he can put up if given a full-time gig and then make an assessment, especially since the Giants do not have any other real internal options at 1B. A trade for a 1B is the only solution if Ishikawa fails and this move would be premature unless it is for a young cornerstone type player (e.g. Cabrera). I think the Giants should send Guzman back down to work like mad on his defense and keep his bat sharp in case Ishikawa flounders and no suitable trades are available, but I don't think he is the silver-bullet which can fix 1B. Apart from his defense and power potential, the chief quality which Ishi possesses is a terrific eye at the plate... something the Giants organization as a whole seems to undervalue. Quite honestly I wish all the Giants had his approach at the plate. I could easily see Ishi with a .275/.375./450 line with 15-20 HR combined with gold-glove caliber defense (not amazing numbers, but still a useful player.). His current line is .246/.341/.327, so he is not that far off from those numbers except for the slugging. If he could just add .30 extra-base hit points to his average he will be there. Will he improve sufficiently? We might already know if the Giants had not wasted so many ABs on Aurilia/McClain last fall and this spring.
>He is on a day, off a day, on two days, off three days.
For the record he has started 31 of the Giants' 44 games this year.
Ishikawa has also been pinch-hit for quite a bit and removed in late innings. He has 100 out of 158 ABs which is 5/8 of the ABs, so more than half, but not a lot more. What is a standard sample size for prospect evaluation? 150?
5 times out of 31 is not excessive to me, particularly since he was struggling, particularly against LHP. He also got into the game late 3 times, which negates some of those where he was taken out.
Oops, I accidentally posted Renteria's line for Ishikawa's above (interestingly, they are almost the same). Ishikawa's line is actually: .250/.327/.330. My apologies.
My observations from Seattle: After Friday's game I was so pissed I sold my tix for Sunday (The wx was going to be too nice for me to sit through another Giant's loss when I could be hiking).
-It's time to let Richie go. I know he's been a fan fav (for me too) but he's overmatched or he has to cut down on his swing and only taps the ball in the INF.
-Before Lewis' bombs, I was going to say, "bench 'em." He has to idea of the strike zone. I saw him let pitches go down the middle then check swing at awful pitches out of the zone. Also for the first time, I sat in LF and could really see his angle he'd take in the OF. Bad, I think we're pretty lucky when he actually does make a catch.
-Guzman AAA player that doesn't equate to ML player.
-At one point I looked up and Cain had throw 40 out of 50 pitches for strikes.
-I've never seen someone spit as much as Winn. He's a sprinkler
-There are a lot,A LOT of Giants fans in Seattle. I bet 1/4 of the folks had Giant's gear on.
-It was awesome watching Randy pitch at Safeco. The fans here are not very knowledgable but I was very pleased with the ovation he got.
-At one point my woman turned to me and said, "your team isn't very good, they may actually be worse than the M's."
-Sandoval made some dandy plays at 3B.
-So happy I chose the hike and friends for dinner over the game on Sunday.
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How would you like this guy on your team: 361/403/492? Sounds great, right?! That's Ishikawa's line @ home. He is indeed horrendous on the road...I can barely get my fingers to type the line: 077/217/077.
We're two months through the season and he has demonstrated that he does not suck. We're rebuilding. It's like the start of a diet...get through that tough beginning period and it's smooth sailing after that. Remember the plan, give the kids a chance. If Trav was coming in with that away line all season long, then yeah he sucks off w/his head. That is not the case.
Gamesix, thanks for pointing out those splits. 3 for 39 on the road. Incredible. Is he psyching himself out? Do his mechanics break down when he wears gray?
The Gigantes have only played a few teams: Mil, SD, LA, Az, Col, Wsh, the Mets and Seattle (before yesterday). Is it possible that part of their offensive woes relates to the fact that the Dodgers (#2 in ERA), Mets (#3), Brewers (#5) and Mariners (#4 in AL) have very good pitching? No? Very well,carry on.
Maybe these teams ERAs are all so low BECAUSE they got to face the Giants! Just kidding. You have made a good observation.