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(w/2010 Salary, if known) PITCHERS
Affeldt (4.5 M)Bumgarner Cain (4.5 M) Hinshaw Joaquin S. Johnson Lincecum (9 M) J. Martinez Medders (.85 M) Pucetas Romo Runzler J. Sanchez (2.1 M) H. Sosa B. Wilson (4.4 M) Zito (18.5 M) CATCHERS
Molina (4.5 M)
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I think you have been drinking too much kool aid. This team needs another consistent bat. Pablo is going to be enough in the play offs
What's your definition of "consistent"? And how much are you willing to give up?
ELM,
I agree with "What if the acquisition is a minor upgrade on offense and defense? (And doesn’t cost a blue-chip prospect?)" I am not completely happy with the team as it now. I would love to pick up Sanchez. As much as I love Uribe he is better suited as a utility player. To look at the prospects that were needed to acquire DeRosa or Hairston, for the Giants to make a trade involving any of the Giants top prospects, the fab four as I refer to them: Posey, Bumgarner, Alderson, and Villalona, should be done with prudence.
In a way, one could compare Sabean and his role in building the Giants into a perennial contender similar to man trying to get his dream girl after a disastrous break up. In this scenario the Giants' previous relationship was the Bonds Era. Ever since that break up he has been trying to find other girls but it just has not been working. After a few years of heartache and disappointment he finally found the right girl, but it was tough at first. She did not even notice him the first few times they met (the Giants April start). And then one day he asked her out on a date. It was great. Now he feels that everything is going great. Every time they are together the heart rate is pulsing, there seems to be a feeling of a good foundation, maybe even a run at the long term.
The one problem is there has been no sex. It has not been a big problem but it turns out his dream girl is a virgin. There has been foreplay but no sex. What is he to do? Should he leave her, make a move, or wait it out? It is a vexing problem. Some of his supporters want him to wait for the delayed gratification but some other supporters want him to make a move or move on. They Say, “you gotta get it while you can.”
One night he goes out with his buddies, gets drunk and takes home the town trolloop in a drunken stupor like the movie The Hangover. When he wakes up he is terrified. He realized what he has done. He panics but thinks it will be fine. He thinks nobody saw. All he has to do is get the trolloop out of his bed and pretend like it did not happen. But it is too late. The dream girl is gone. She was waiting for him to come home last night and saw him get out of the taxi with the trolloop. All is lost. The trolloop is not a good fit and the dream gril ends up in a great marriage.
In summary, do not trade away the future for a one week trolloop. Be patient Sabean, be patient.
uh, weird analogy.
Sabean has been patient, else Cain, Lincecum, Wilson might be gone already. It has been fans who have not been patient.
I would have no porblem trading off Wilson. The others, no.
Wow Steve. You really took that one to hoop.
Sanchez has a team option for 2010, for around $7-8M, which is not bad if he can hit over .800 OPS like he is this year, but expensive if he hits as poorly as he did in 2007 and 2008.
Given how much the Pirates got for McLouth, I think they will want at least Burriss, Barnes, and another pitcher, for Sanchez. I think that is too much given he could have been lucky early this season.
And he was hot for much of April. Since around the end of April, when his OPS was last 4 digits, he has hit .301/.343/.429/.772. And since June 1st, he has hit .284/.322/.422/.744.
The Pirates would be selling high on him as his OPS has dropped as the season progressed to be more in line with his 2007-2008, than the shiny .316/.355/.477/.832 that he has right now. Whoever wants to get him now would be making a sucker's bet. At .744 OPS, I would rather play Frandsen the rest of the season to see if he can hit that with regular play.
I say no to picking him up unless we get him for minimal mid-tier prospects.
The Giants right now are a .550 team (okay .548). That's elite territory. There must be some chemistry going on there that you don't want to mess around with too much. They got there with pitching and defense and that's something else you don't want to mess around with. So Sabean (who gets credit for all this) has to tread carefully. He has to move an outfielder to make room for Bowker, that's for sure. But if he can't get a premium young player, I would say forget it.
I would target Zimmerman, the 3rd baseman for the Nationals. He's 24 and signed through 2013. They say he's untouchable but I'd make them an offer they can't refuse like Posey, Alderson and Lewis. Chew on that.
While I agree with the idea of acquiring a player who represents a decent upgrade "on both sides of the ball", I am not sure that Freddy Sanchez is the answer. There is no way I trade MadBum, Buster, Timmy2 or Villanoa to get him. If he could be picked up for a few second-tier prospects then it might be a good pickup although my preference is to give Frandsen the job and see how he copes.
I would love for us to find a future SS to replace Renteria. I know his contract means he is starting next year but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be actively looking now for someone. Could we maybe put a deal together for Alcides Escobar from the Brewers, possibly using Alderson.
Commenters on Baggs say Bowker is called up.
No doubt this team could use an impact bat but it doesnt look likely that a deal will get done. I get the impression that Sabean is looked at by the other GM's in the league as "weak" and therefore they won't deal with him unless they are guarenteed to get the better end of the deal. If we cant put together a trade for a middle of the order or leadoff bat, I would rather see Sabean move guys like Winn, Rowand, Renteria, or even Bengie for a few prospects that might help us down the road. It would open up a lot more playing time for guys like Bowker and even Frandsen and who knows, those two guys could give the giants the offensive boost they would be getting by trading for a bat. If no deal gets done by the trade deadline I won't be too upset though because the most exciting acquisitions this year are going to be the september call ups anyway. I dont think Posey is quite ready but Bumgarner should get a shot to start a few games and could be like David Price was for Tampa last year.