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Giants 40-Man Roster
(w/2010 Salary, if known) PITCHERS
Affeldt (4.5 M)Bumgarner Cain (4.5 M) Hinshaw Joaquin S. Johnson Lincecum (9 M) J. Martinez Medders (.85 M) Pucetas Romo Runzler J. Sanchez (2.1 M) H. Sosa B. Wilson (4.4 M) Zito (18.5 M) CATCHERS
Molina (4.5 M)
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I have to believe that the Giants are willing to sign him to a contract, the question is whether he wants another one year deal or thinks he can parlay his nice 2009 season into a multi-year contract.
Perhaps a one year contract with team option that vests if he reaches a certain level of playing time in terms of plate appearances? That would be a compromise I've seen before, and he appears to have enjoyed his time here.
I can see someone like the A's or Nationals throwing a three year deal around $12 mill Uribe's way, I just dont think that is a good investment for us...so that probably means if Sabean is here, he will offer 3 years and $18 million...
There have been a few nice bright spots this year and at the very least we have witnessed the development of Panda, Velez, Schierholtz, and even Ishikaka. The pitching speaks for itself and should be even better next year with both Cain and Lincecum pitching like aces and Zito improved as well as Sanchez and his potential.
My biggest worry is no surprise, if Sabean is extended how in the world is he going to do any better then this year. It is pretty apparent that he wont be going after any big free agent bats and we have all seen what guys like Posey, Bowker, Downs, Rohlinger, Frandson, and the other young offensive prospects are capable of at this point in their developments and it is clear to me at least that none of them are going to be able to step in to this lineup next year and make serious impacts.
So where does that leave us and what do we have to look forward to next year as fans? Will expectations now be raised because of this season or are fans going to keep those low, easily surpassable expectations that they had this year which gave them support for their arguement to bring Sabean back? If Sabean fails for yet another season to acquire an impact bat, do we just accept the excuses like how offensive players dont want to play here and how we dont want to get into a bidding war with the Yankees and Red Sox over a player?
Can Sabean finally pull off a trade for offense by giving up some of our coveted pitching to get the deal done, something he has claimed has been the reason for drafting only pitching every year but yet something he has never been able to accomplish?
What I would really like to see is bowtie sitting down with Sabean and asking him the following two questions before deciding to extend him or go in another direction: What is your opinion of your performance as the GM over the last few years (would love to hear facts supporting his moves and arguement that he has been successful), and what is your plan for next season and how do you plan on getting an offense that can compliment this incredible pitching staff?
This team has a ton of potential but only a window of a few years maybe to take advantage of our strengths. I personnaly dont feel that we can go through another season without an offense and keep our pitchers from jumping ship and heading to teams that have figured out the meaning of "run support". The funny thing is that it won't take much to upgrade the offense but it would depend on giving way less playing time to the Rowands and Renterias and we would need maybe just one ligit middle of the order stud who could hit 30+ homers and drive in 100 runs. Second option would be a ligit leadoff hitter like Chone or Crawford but if no middle of the order bat or ligit leadoff hitter is acquired, this team will struggle just as bad if not worse then they have this year offensively.
Cain for Fielder. I love me some Matty but they have to pull the trigger.
I have to believe that one of the pitchers will be traded this offseason--probably either Sanchez or Cain. For one thing, we've now got six men capable of starting and five of them would be number 1 or 2 pitcher on most rotations.
It wouldn't take many bats to dramatically improve our record (I don't have time to look up the number of one run games we lost, but it was a lot). Trade for a middle of the order bat and sign another one and we'd have a danterous team.
SIX guys? Five who are #1 or #2? I'm having a hard time seeing that. I like our pitching but I don't see that kind of depth.
Well--we've got five starters right who each have an ERA under 4. And Bum, while unproven at the major league level, is a top prospect with lots of potential. There's no room for him to move up next year unless someone is traded (or unless we don't re-sign Penny).
I'm not for trading Cain, by the way. If we win next year, it will be because of dominant pitching and he's the second half of our one-two punch. But Bum would replace Sanchez, and we might get a decent bat for Sanchez.
Zito and Sanchez are 4.10 and 4.25. I like Sanchez quite a bit, and Zito has finally shown some usefulness, but neither would be #1 or #2 starters. MadBum may not even be in the majors next year. Penny was cut loose by two contending teams (LA and BOS). Trading Cain or Sanchez would gut what strength we have. Remember we signed a 45 year old guy in the off-season to bolster our rotation. I just don't see us having the depth to trade away these guys. LA, ATL, STL, CHI, all have fine pitching staffs--as good as we are, we are not alone in that department.
Respectfully disagree.
Panda is the only sure thing, and every other position (unless Uribe repeats, and that's a big maybe) is subpar and needs upgrade for this team to be league average in RS.
This is an offence with one high BA, zero OBP, zero power, and no ability to work counts. You couldn't assemble this shitty a roster by accident! Looks like a 1st year expansion team of castoffs.
One bat in the middle will be walked 150 times with no harm done.
If they don't want to trade topline pitching for above average talent (which well run orgs develop internally), they are doomed.
Pato, I have been on the Figgins or Crawford bandwagon and think that is the easy step to take. I think Dye would be a very moderate free agent acquisition and we dont then have to trade Cain or Sanchez. Then if prove that Dye is not enough, then we can go after the big mid-season trade if we are in contention and I would be willing to move a Sanchez then. I think trading Cain would be a big mistake unless he struggles next year.
Cain and Lincecum are obviously very, very tight. The odds of keeping Lincecum would be lessened if they were to dump Cain unceremoniously. And I dont think there is any way the Brewers are trading Fielder after just extending him at the start of the year. He is probably the second most popular player on that team and they would take a big hit in ticket sells if he was traded...so aint happening folks...
Peter, you may be right about the Brew Crew not being willing to trade Fielder; I am not privy to the thought process of the Milw front office. But they are the Bizarro Giants, and they will finish below .500. They are not going to be competitive (even in the joke that is the NL Central) without a serious pitching upgrade. I remember that there were rumblings about this deal last winter, and I don't see anything that happened this season that would make it impossible (unless they ALSO have a brain dead GM).
I am onboard even though it would hurt kinda like when Matty Williams was shipped out for Kent but it would be worth it. Cain and maybe a prospect or two if they throw in Casey McGehee and we would have our infield set for next year and could still pull off a crazy free agent acquisition like Carl Crawford... whoa, just dozed off there for a second and must have been dreaming.
How many games would we win if this was our lineup:
LF Crawford
CF Velez
3B Panda
1B Prince
2B McGehee
SS Uribe
RF Nasty
C Who Cares!!
Even without Crawford the lineup would be nice and balanced. There are definately options for next year but if Sabes is resigned and doesn't do anything to shake things up and improve this offense, I will be thoroughly pissed off but not a bit surprised.
what trade would it take to land Crawfgord??
Figgins may be an easier sign than trading for Crawford...and Freddie Sanchez will be a Giant next year..
Why are you so down on Posey, Pato? He's had 10 at bats.
not down on posey at all, just dont think he is ready to contribute. I firmly beleive he will be very good, just not next year which is what the GM needs to focus on and figure out a way to upgrade the offense without counting on a guy who is still a year or two away.
Lefty, I believe I was in the stands when that chant first started (I could be wrong, but dont think so). Can you name the year and player that this appropriate insult was first established????
I would also be mildly supportive of acquiring Chone and Dye, I like Dye's presence but his age scares me a bit and he will probably want over 10 mil for multiple years.
Crawford is a free agent although he has an option that Tampa may pick up which could open the door for them to trade Upton whose value is low right now. He is still young and is a 5 tool player who would probably love playing against his brother 18 times a year.
MadBum is a lot like Posey, gonna be good but not quite ready to contribute but if we resign Penny we can ease him in to 2011. There are a million other options for fifth starters as well and frankly it doesnt matter who pitches fifth for us as long as we have our main 4 healthy and pitching well.