When the Giants Come to Town, It's Bye-Bye Baby

01.19.2010
An Arb and a Leg (and Bengie Molina's Stomach)

2PM UPDATE:

- Lincecum filed for $13 M, the Giants for $8 M.

- The Giants have re-signed Bengie Molina.

- The....wait a second. The what just re-signed the who? It's from our local CBS sports guy who has broken other news this winter, so there's no reason right now to doubt it. It's a one-year, $4.5 M contract.

If it's true, here's the good news:

- There weren't any unsigned catchers out there any better than Molina with the bat. Sentimental favorite Yorvit Torrealba always seems to kill the Giants, but against everyone else he's been an embarrassing hitter, especially for a guy who plays half his games in Denver. Defense is a different question, and a lot harder to answer, but you'd think Torrealba and Ausmus would be better behind the plate than Molina.

- If Buster Posey isn't ready to start on Opening Day, at least Molina won't be asked to hit cleanup. He'll probably be the 7th-place hitter in this lineup, which makes the holes in his offensive game a little more tolerable. Then again, if Aubrey Huff stumbles out of the gate, and Mark DeRosa is hurt, and....Good God, Bengie Molina could be the Giants' cleanup hitter.

Here's the bad news:

- $4.5 million is a lot to pay a backup catcher. Which of course means Buster Posey won't be given much chance, if any, to prove he can start the year running the show in The Show. Which means, more likely than not, Molina won't be the backup catcher. Which of course means that Bruce Bochy will insert him as the cleanup hitter because of his proven track record of being the cleanup hitter.

Good God, Bengie Molina will be the Giants' cleanup hitter. 

Here's the best-case scenario: the Giants give Posey plenty of room to do his thing this spring, he grabs the starting job by the cojones and never lets go. Bengie Molina teaches the kid many secrets, starts on Sundays and against tough lefties, and hits several pinch-hit home runs to win a few key games. It's the best $4.5 million ever spent on a backup catcher. 

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Sorry, I hab a cold.

So far, at 11am PST, we know this:

- Jonathan Sanchez has settled for a $2.1 million plus incentives, according to a Jon Heyman tweet. Chris Haft at sfgiants.com confirms the Sanchez deal.

- Another tweetmeister guesses Lincecum will submit a number between $12 million and $13 million, well below the $20 M-plus figure that's been chattered about.

- Still waiting for rumor, speculation, or god forbid, facts about Brian Wilson. He'll probably get something similar to Sanchez.

A larger point to keep in mind about payroll. Lincecum has three more years of arbitration after this. Sanchez and Wilson have two more. Aaron Rowand is on the books through 2012, Barry Zito through 2014. Matt Cain has a reasonable team option for 2011 then hits free agency. Unless the Giants decide to join the league's top spenders, something's got to give. I would say by this time next year, if the team hasn't somehow shed either the Zito or the Rowand contract, one or more of these young guys will be gone. My guess is Matt Cain. He's the right combination of talent and affordability that a team looking to boost its rotation will covet. He'll fetch in trade more than Jonathan Sanchez would.

It'll be an emotional moment, not unlike the Matt Williams trade. If you're not old enough to remember the Matt Williams trade, keep it to yourself. My arthritis will flare up and I'll be forced to make "get off my lawn" jokes. Neither of us want that.    

Like the guy who runs the abandoned puppy shelter, we need to prepare. Don't get too attached. First and foremost, it's a business. I also suggest getting a headstart on the bitterness that comes from knowing the Giants had to trade Matt Cain (or Jonathan Sanchez, or...) because of the unmovable Rowand and Zito contracts.   



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Ouch Lefty!!! You just left me feeling ill after reading this post.

It may be a business, but for the customer/fan, it is entertainment.

Here we are, entertain us, Brian Sabean. If you're going to trade Matty, it better be for a Ryan Braun.

Lefty, again I question Sabean's abilities to run this team. Lincecum files for $13 million, so instead of being a couple million off that number and maybe having a chance to win in arbitration, Sabean goes for a lowball, disrespectful $8 million offer.

We all guessed Timmy would be in the $12 mill range, why did he not just offer $10 mill and have a chance at least of winning. Let's hope they have a 5-year deal on the table pretty soon. I was hoping something in the $60 mill range, but that is probably not happening now.

5 years at $60M was a pipe dream after the second Cy Young.

Yeah, $8M is low, I think $9M would have been more reasonable, but if Ryan Howard only got $10M and he's a hitter, traditionally, pitchers are not considered as valuable as an equivalent hitter, so that is probably how they justified it. Still, they screwed up the A.J. Piersynski arbitration and lost that, so hopefully the Giants can negotiate a settlement contract for around $11M and be done with it.

Sabean sucks we all know that but give the guy a little credit, this team is better then last years and has more flexibility when guys like Sanchez and DeRosa get hurt. It isn't quite Busters time yet so I am glad we aren't forcing him along.

What everyone seems to be most upset about aside from the Giants not making a big splash with Holliday, Bay, or Chone, is that some of the young question marks like Ishi, Bowk, and Nate might not get enough playing time. I say turn the page on these guys and lets get ready for the next crop of young talent (Nate should still get plenty of PT).

This should be the last year we have to deal with aging veterans and if this team doesn't improve over last year then Sabean will be gone. We have youth coming up for 2011 and beyond and really there isn't too much else that could have been done to improve this team without trading away some of its strengths or committing huge money to guys like Bay and Holliday.

Sabean does not suck, I don't agree. Anyone who thinks he sucks is saying that they don't think much of our pitching staff. Someone who sucks would not be able to put together a staff or starting rotation like that.

But I basically agree with the rest that you wrote.

He still sucks...)

Why does this all feel like deja vu all over again?

Yeah, that $8 million figure is a bit astonishing. Surely there's a story behind the scenes there. Maybe it means that the Giants plan to settle before arbitration and the $8 million is just a negotiating ploy--i.e., a figure they expect to immediately abandon.

They can't imagine the arbitration would go that low, not even in this economy.

If that is a negotiating ploy, it is one only Sabean can dream up...

If we had this offense last year, we would have made the playoffs, no? And as ObsessiveGiantCompulsive has pointed out, the playoffs are dominated by pitching, especially the top three starters, where we're as strong as anyone in baseball.

It will be interesting to watch what happens in the second half of the season if Posey starts lighting up the AAA team.

If it were obviously better than last year's offense. Which it is not.

Brian Sabean Deserves To Be Fired. He Does Not Deserve To Have A Job.

I really don't care if this team is better than it was last year. The Zito & Rowand deals were ridiculous and are going to screw us over for years to come, he's been in power for 13 freaking years, and it's not like he's acting like a genius even now. I mean, come on, 4.5 million to Bengie Freakin' Molina? It's just time for some new blood.

I mean, I realize this is a moot point, since he already got the extension, I just want to take this opportunity to bitch and moan about Sabes.

Only a genius can put together a pitching staff like this. And this pitching staff, with Bumgarner joining soon and Wheeler in a couple of years, should be dominant for many years to come.

Lefty,

Minor correction, Brian Wilson like Tim Lincecum is super 2 and thus has three more years of arbitration.

On the Bengie front count me in as one of the few in the Giants fan blogosphere that has no problem with re-signing him. This move can be used to prevent Buster from attaining super 2 if we keep him in the minors thru the end of June and that should be the plan. Bring him up then to split time in July and August telling Bengie it is to keep him fresh for September. If Buster outperforms Bengie in these two months then the Giants have a solid reason to let Buster rather then Bengie play the lions share in September. In either case Posey is given the development time and MLB experience he needs to be ready to be the full time starter in 2011.

While I agree that Cain is a great trading chip, I think it will be Sanchez who will be traded, after the 2010 season, as he would still have two more years of control, he should have a pretty good 2010 season, assuming he builds upon what he did in 2009. He would net some sort of Haren-type deal that would re-stock the farm system now that Lincecum, and presumably Posey and Bumgarner, had flow or will fly the coop.

In addition, I think Cain will work out some sort of extension within the next year. He loves the Giants, he loves the area, his wife is from the area, he's never seemed to be a greedy guy nor one to ask for all that he could get. Lincecum, on the other hand, wants what's fair, and there is nothing wrong with that, but just that he'll be harder to sign to an extension and you can't expect to get a home discount from him, while from Cain I would think that he would.

I'm OK with Bengie's deal. It already prices in Posey coming in to start part-time during the latter part of the season, and should Posey not be ready for whatever reason, we have Molina. It also prices in his drop in performance, and if his decline is related to his first child, as I've speculated, then he could have a bounceback year offensively.

I don't think Molina is going to bat cleanup. If Huff falters in that spot, then I think Sandoval will be moved there, as they had planned before.

The numbers for Wilson -

Wilson asked for $4.875 million, while the Giants countered with a $4 million offer.

Next year, Renteria, Molina, Huff, Uribe, Affeldt will be off the books. They will have Zito, Lincecum, Wilson, Rowand, DeRosa, F. Sanchez, Sandoval. Together the commitment is for $44.6 million (per Cot's). They will save money in the catcher's position. So, they could keep both J. Sanchez and Cain and get a shortstop and a couple of outfielders in the free agency or better still if some home-grown products step up as outfielders go with them for cheap.

The $44.6 million does not include Lincecum's or Wilson's arbitrated salaries. The total payroll will be around 90 million if the team is in a position to win as it will be this year. So, there is money to sign good players.

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