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Giants 40-Man Roster
(w/2010 Salary, if known) PITCHERS
Affeldt (4.5 M)Bumgarner Cain (4.5 M) Hinshaw Joaquin S. Johnson Lincecum (9 M) J. Martinez Medders (.85 M) Pucetas Romo Runzler J. Sanchez (2.1 M) H. Sosa B. Wilson (4.4 M) Zito (18.5 M) CATCHERS
Molina (4.5 M)
PoseyWhiteside INFIELDERS
BurrissDeRosa (6 M) Downs Frandsen Gillaspie Huff (3 M) Ishikawa Pill Renteria (10 M) Rohlinger F. Sanchez (6 M) Sandoval Uribe (3.25 M) Velez OUTFIELDERS
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We were over .500 for awhile in '05 (before we lost 15 of the next 17 games, ouch)?
Ew, you too, Torres? Really? He was horribly lucky with his BABIP last year, years of futility making the majors shows his real talent level.
I think the pitching and defense can definitely repeat last year's results. There are areas where pitchers can still reasonably improve on and the bullpen is improved as well with Runzler, a full year of Medders and Romo, plus the mystery reliever.
Barry missed almost all of 2005. I think you mean 2004.
2004. 2006. 2007. Take your pick.
Maybe I am a cockeyed optimist, Lefty, but this lineup looks a lot better than what we put out there last year. A lot more proven hitters in DeRosa, Sanchez, and Huff...with more certainty about what Pablo will produce. And as for Huff's "subpar" vs. lefties, that line of .272/.323/.420 against southpaws looks better than Bengie's overall .265/.285/.442. I'm also betting that overall, the pitching can get a little better, mostly in the Sanchez and Bumgarner slots. They key there is whether Cain will hold steady, and i think we will see that, too.
No one argues that the lineup is better than last year. By crude evaluation, it's half a run better. But remember, pitching isn't just about pitchers. It's about defense. And it's highly unlikely that, combined, the Giants pitching and defense will be as good as last year.
That's another reason to argue for more playing time for Torres against lefties, at least until he proves last year was a total fluke. His D in the outfield will be quite valuable.
I just read that Laroche signed a one year deal with the DBags for 4-5 mil! So he turned down a deal for 2 years 17 mil to come here so he could sign a 1 year deal in Arizona for far less. Sounds like he screwed up and misgauged the market as he didn't sign with us because he was holding out for a 3 year deal which he obviously didn't come close to getting.
I am in agreement that this lineup looks a hell of a lot better then anything we have put out in the last 3 years. Just remember a couple of years ago when Castillo was our big free agent acquisition!! I like the additions and I like even more the subtractions (winn and molina mostly). This team may not make the playoffs and we may be complaining about them a month into the season but at least we have some guys that are going to be hitting where they belong instead of forcing them to hit out of position like we did with Winn and Molina all those years.
The best part is that next season we should still have flexibility to go after a big bat if things don't work out. Renteria and Huff coming off the board along with a few others I can't think of right now will give us a chance to look at several options including one name I have heard a bit here, Jason Werth. Good job Sabean even though you still should get fired!
I dont feel that it is unreasonable that the pitching wont be as good or improve.Heres why.Tim and matt started fast! Matt especially,well for him anyway.if cain cant improve on what he did last year than WTF? He just isnt that good.If thats what you think then trade him NOW!As for Tim if he is that good again which i think he will be he will improve as well.Lets remember they both hit a little bit of a wall late in the year.Sanchez should pitch the way he did in the second half all year and that will be huge.Zito can stay the same.Whoever is the 5th starter can at least do as well as last years.What part of that is unreasonable? Playoffs? If you can beat LA and Col you are in 3 team race not that hard!
ELM is referring (I'm guessing) more to the fielding, where DeRosa is a decline from Lewis et al in LF, Schierholtz could be a decline from Winn (not sure what we would get in a full season but there is the potential that he is as good) and Bowker would definitely be a decline in RF, Huff, while much better defensively at 1B than I would have thought, is a decline from Ishikawa (though hopefully mitigated by Ish coming in as defensive replacement after Huff's 3rd AB), and Posey is a decline from Molina.
I like your overall assessment of pitching rotation (but am totally lost trying to follow your logic regarding Tim and Matt), plus we now have Runzler and Romo for a full season. I think the potential improvements in the overall pitching staff will mitigate the fielding losses enough.
Remember, the team only averaged 4.0 runs per game, so at 4.5, that would be adding 81 runs scored during the season. I don't think the fielding will give up that many more runs during the season.
I would estimate a loss of about 4 wins (or 40 runs) for the fielding (1 for DeRosa, 2 for Huff, 1 for the rest), and that should leave us around 90 wins for 2010.
Rowand at leadoff still makes me think, think that experiment will not last past May 1.
I agree with you Lefty, agaisnt lefties, Pablo should be at first, DuDRosa at third, Torres or Velez in left or center or both can play if Rowand plays center and Torres can play right.
But Uribe should then be playing automatically against lefties at short...so how about:
1) Velez - LF
2) F. Sanchez - 2B
3) Panda - 1B
4) Uribe - SS
5) DudRosa - 3B
6) Rowand - CF (or Nate in right)
7) Posey - C
8) Pitcher
9) Torres - RF
If Renteria is playing, he should hit 8th, Posey will need too see pitches...
If Velez is in the starting lineup it should only be against RHP. His career splits against lefties are horrible.
As for Torres, his splits are exactly the reverse. His career MLB numbers are a small sample size, but I would be comfortable with him starting in the OF and leading off against lefties until he proved himself unworthy. Career vs. LHP: .284 / .330 / .519 in 178 PAs. Last year his numbers against LHP were insanely good.