* Adam LaRoche confirmed what I suspected last week. He simply
didn't want to play his home games at Mays Field.
"Not to bash (the Giants) at all, I just had to weigh it. Was it worth going there for a couple of years or just riding it out and seeing what kind of options were available? They kind of started dwindling fast. When (the Diamondbacks' offer) came out, when I first heard about it, I remember telling my agent, 'Let's try to get this done.' This is a chance that I didn't want to waste."
Regarding his multiple two-year offers, LaRoche said, "They just happened to be in places I wasn't excited about."
When I floated the idea a few days ago of LaRoche taking less money to play anywhere but S.F., some commenters said it was just an excuse Sabean & Co. have used to get themselves off the hook for not signing free agent hitters. LaRoche's comments prove that, yes indeed, some hitters would rather swallow rusty nails than don the orange and french vanilla. Too bad for them, we say, but I don't think we can automatically assume it's a shortcoming of the Giant front office anymore. Thank you, Adam LaRoche, for shining your little light of truth on the situation.
Here's a little more from BP's John Perotto:
"As a hitter, for whatever reason, when you're in a ballpark where you know you can drive the ball out from foul pole to foul pole, it just does something to your confidence," LaRoche said. "I felt that a little bit playing in Atlanta. I enjoyed hitting there. It was very fair. But the fact is, when you go into a place like Cincinnati or Philadelphia, some of these smaller ballparks where the ball travels well, your confidence is up. That definitely weighs on your decision."
Is LaRoche right? Should left-handed power hitters avoid our bayside ballyard like the garlic fries you brought home from the game once and stashed in the fridge thinking, a little salt, a few minutes under the broiler, and they'll be good as new? Before we get to lefties specifically, you should know that Mays Field since 2003 has been MLB-average or better for runs scored. It generally surpresses home runs, but it's generous with extra base hits. Don't believe me? Look it up
here.
Any left-handed slugger with an Internet connection can see that as of mid-2007, AT&T Park was by far
the hardest place to hit a home run to right-center field. No surprise there. But note that it was also slightly above average for home runs to straightaway right field. I can't find similar studies for extra-base hits, nor anything updated to account for the last two and a half years, which would be quite instructive now that Barry Lamar Bonds is no longer knocking horsehide into the bay. Does Barry's absence bring down the averages to straight-away RF?
Whatever the case, you can't really blame LaRoche for saying no to the Giants. If he's already worried about it, imagine if he signed here. Every fly ball to the warning track would make him regret his decision that much more. I'm not crazy about the Huff signing, but at least it's not much financial risk, and he got off on the good foot by
making light of the home-run difficulties he'll face: "If Barry Bonds can hit home runs there, I can, right?"
This is what passes for fan spirit these days: He might not solve our team's offensive woes, but he's cheap and he's funny! Levity aside, let's at least acknowledge that Huff could end up being a bargain of the century if he defies the Lunatic Fringe expectations and comes close to his 2008 numbers without butchering too many chances in the field.
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Brandon Medders will return to the bullpen. Assuming the Giants sign another reliever, the bullpen to start the year will probably be Wilson, Affeldt, Romo, Runzler, Medders, New Guy, and Long Guy (Joe Martinez?).
* The Arbocalypse is coming. Tim Lincecum, Brian Wilson and Jonathan Sanchez all submit their numbers this week. It's possible all three could cost the Giants $15 million to $20 million this year, most of that of course going to Lincecum.
I'd like to hear your comments on acquiring Eric Brynes.
If the Giants sign him to a minor league deal with a spring training invite, fine. Otherwise, no.
I totally agree.
And with $11M waiting for him in the bank, I have to assume his big value to offer to the Giants now would be his willingness to take a minor league deal so that the 40 man isn't affected, and he gets to at least go to spring training with the team he loved as a child.
And if he's really healthy, he would be a plus off the bench plus he probably wouldn't aggitate for more playing time, unlike Lewis. And between him and Torres, he not only is an established hitter, but he also steals bases better than Torres, he was also an above average defensive LF and CF, and he hits for power as well.
And Torres, as much as everyone fell in love with him in 2009, had a horrible strikeout rate (as bad as any swing from the heels power hitter) and if not for a BABIP that even the best hitters in the history of major league baseball were never able to maintain over a full season, he would have been throw out by those same fans who deride any bad move by Sabean. Just like Winn was thrown under the bus in 2009, Torres would most likely be under that same metaphoric bus in 2010 when his strikeouts loom large.
Another plus is that, if healthy, I can see Byrnes pushing Rowand in CF. If either corner OF is scuffling, then the Giants should go to Bowker if he's still producing like it's 2009. But if Rowand is scuffling, there was nobody to really go to, other than Winn, but then there was nobody to replace him. With Bowker in AAA (which I assume) and Byrne on the bench, Rowand could face being sat down, particularly now that he's mid-way through his deal.
With the way Winn performed in 2009, he deserved to be thrown under the bus.....literally. Instead, Bochy kept putting him in the lineup.
Funny, last year the park in Atl was worse for HR's than ours. I think Huff is a better move anyway. LaRoche is a horrible first half player and he would have been more expensive too boot.
One more thing we should appreciate about Huff: He has the balls to play in a real baseball park. It wouldn't give me a lot of "confidence" if I thought my success depended on batting in a dollhouse. Suck one LaRoche (and Bay). Lets go Huff-Daddy!
While I love bashing any player who don't want to play here, to be fair, Huff is nearing the end of his career, he's old, he didn't really have much choice in the matter as there are not a lot of 1B jobs available out there to get. He had to come here, where we won and was close to the title, or face going back to Baltimore, where nobody knows when they will get their act together.
LaRoche, on the other hand, is still young, and he's is playing for his contract in 2011 and 2012. If he played in SF for two years, with the reduction in HR power due to AT&T, he is not going to get that good a contract or annual salary after those two years. After a year or two in Arizona's bandbox, the economy (hopefully) is better, he will have great shiny new stats to show to new suitors, and he might be able to get a big contract at that point, the 3 years at $30M he was shooting for, if I recall right, and not the $3M that Huff got and that LaRoche would get in 2012 if he had signed here.
So he's only getting paid $1.5M less in 2010, but probably with good stats, will more than make that up in his next contract in 2010 or 2011, depending on that mutual option year.
Come on, didn't you get a free copy of Bill James Handbook? (Or was that Grant) For those who want data like this, the book is cheap on Amazon and it came out much earlier.
Index 100 = neutral
3 year average
Runs 101
Hits 104
Doubles 106
Triples 139
Homers 91
Of course, triples are not that often, so that won't make up for the missing homers. But with the extra hits and doubles, apparently that makes up for the homers not hit.
I thought I was the only one to try that maneuver with the g. fries.
There are OTHER ways to look at it as well. Have you ever played softball in a park where the fence isn't too hard to reach? I usually try to "jack it out" and end up flying out deep instead and end up going 2-4 with no hrs. When I play in a huge place knowing I can't really hit one out I usually go 3-4 or 4-4 with 3 doubles etc. Your hitting adjusts to the park you're playing in. Anybody going to be upset if Huff's doubles, obp, runs and rbi's go UP and his hrs go down a little?
bigO has a good point - its analogous to the Green Monster. If you're focused on hitting it over that close wall, good luck. LaRoche's comment about "foul pole to foul pole" is pretty disquieting about his approach at the plate.
I would note that Bill James does not simply take home and road and compare them in a ratio, as ESPN does. He adjusts those totals by the at-bats, so that the results are not skewed by their being more at-bats in one situation than another. He also provides 3 year averages plus does not provide 3 years if the stadium changes during that period.
I couldn't find my 2008 book to cover Bonds's last years, but here's something even better for you all: Bill James made a mistake in the 2007 book, so he republished the whole indices on-line in a pdf: http://www.baseballinfosolutions.com/images/ParkIndices2007errata.pdf
With Bonds 2004-2006:
102: BA
101: Runs
100: Hits
104: 2B
127: 3B
84: HR
98: BB
97: SO
99: LHB-BA
74: LHB-HR
104: RHB-BA
90: RHB-HR
2007-2009:
104: BA
103: Runs
104: Hits
106: 2B
139: 3B
91: HR
93: BB
95: SO
105: LHB-BA
88: LHB-HR
103: RHB-BA
93: RHB-HR
You can see the big changes particularly for LHB before and after.
Here is 2009:
103: BA
105: Runs
101: Hits
104: 2B
113: 3B
99: HR
88: BB
98: SO
104: LHB-BA
81: LHB-HR
103: RHB-BA
112: RHB-HR
So it appears that triples was greatly affected by 2008's stats, where the index was 187, when we had faster guys on the team getting more ABs. Doubles too, 113 in 2008. LHB-HR was also skewed by 2008, it was 101 that year.
So Bonds being around did help out LHB stats overall, but clearly, it is a pretty bad park for any left-handed hitter who is dependent on HRs for their offensive value (like Bay or LaRoche) but good for a player who has a good BA and is a gap hitter, particularly one with speed who could turn doubles into triples.
And that reminds me: the doubles are above 100 despite the fact that many doubles are turning into triples in AT&T.
This was suppose to be in reply to my comment above, but when I went to preview it, I guess it lost its "bookmark" on where it was suppose to go. Programming error!
Sanchez signs for $2.1M for 2010.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100119&content_id=7935782&vkey=news_sf&fext=.jsp&c_id=sf&partnerId=rss_sf
One down, two to go. I think Wilson will probably be signed before the meeting, but have no guess on what will happen with Lincecum (hopefully a multi-year deal).
Well I'd surely sign Timmy RIGHT NOW for what Kind Felix signed for in Seattle. I'd even up in to 6 years for another 12 mil. 6 years/90 mil?
King Felix, I don't think he's very KIND.
Let's try this scenario: LaR thought the Giants would up their offer, and found that instead the bottom was likely to drop out of his market. He had to settle for less with Arizona. But he didn't want to sound as though he was settling or that he had misplayed his hand. So he made up something more creditable to him and maybe? flattering to his new team.
LaDouche signed with AZ because it's a hitter's park and he wants to put up big numbers so he can hit the free agent market next year and try to get the ridiculous long term deal he sought this offseason. Too bad LaRoche doesn't realize that he's not a special player. To be honest, he looked for the lesser of two evils after his 2/17 mil offer from SF dried up. It was Baltimore, where the chances of competing for the playoffs are slim and none, or Arizona, which has a young, talented team in what is basically a wide open NL West.
Quick note on the Adam Laroche rationale for signing with Arizona...his not being candid, period. Laroche would take a time machine back and sign that deal were it on the table at the same time his deal with Arizona was. No player would ever take less years at substantially less money, even if it meant playing in a park that was going to be less beneficial to his overall numbers. Laroche is going to have way stiffer competition from Free Agent first baseman in 2010. Pujols, Carlos Pena, Adam Dunn, Nick Johnson, Konerko, Cantu, Berkman, Derrek Lee...He was being as honest as McGwire. As I said, he'd do anything to take the Giants deal were it still available. I've even considered blogging on this particular subject.
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