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Giants 40-Man Roster
(w/2010 Salary, if known) PITCHERS
Affeldt (4.5 M)Bumgarner Cain (4.5 M) Hinshaw Joaquin S. Johnson Lincecum (9 M) J. Martinez Medders (.85 M) Pucetas Romo Runzler J. Sanchez (2.1 M) H. Sosa B. Wilson (4.4 M) Zito (18.5 M) CATCHERS
Molina (4.5 M)
PoseyWhiteside INFIELDERS
BurrissDeRosa (6 M) Downs Frandsen Gillaspie Huff (3 M) Ishikawa Pill Renteria (10 M) Rohlinger F. Sanchez (6 M) Sandoval Uribe (3.25 M) Velez OUTFIELDERS
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Well we know for sure that Posey will take Molinas place next year so that should do for the Wilson and Sanchez raises.
Renteria's 10 mil equals 5 million in Timmys pocket.
Which leaves 5 mil to resign Affeldt.
Uribe comes back on another one year 3 mil deal.
Leaving 8 or so million to fill two roster spots.
Which means we need Bowker or Nate to step up (If both do it solves one spot)
If both then we sign one 7.5 mil FA
If only one steps up we can still get 1 quality guy and a cheapo for the other spot.
We should hold onto Cain he will be a type A FA and someone will for sure give a pick to sign him.
We will find someone to take Rowand the day after someone decides to take Zito off our hands...
It’s not so much what you’ve got to spend, its how you spend it. According to Baggerly, the Nuke-guy put spending restrictions on Sabean: “My sense all along this winter was that Bill Neukom issued a stern warning to Brian Sabean to avoid any Edgar Renteria reduxes,” wrote Baggerly. If true why did the Nukeman give Sabean a two year extension if he had so little confidence in him? Perhaps his meaning was, ‘No more mistakes.” Either way, it’s pretty much a vote of no confidence. If I were Sabean, I would have resigned even knowing it meant virtual retirement. But that’s just me, sitting on my ass in a resort in Thailand, knowing there are better things in life.
You want the Giants to spend money wisely? Have them hire an independent baseball advisor to the Nukeman to help him figure things out. On second thought they’d probably hire Bill Bavasi. Then where would we be?
The more I think about it the more I believe it is Neukom who should be fired. What kind of chief executive gives his GM a “stern warning” to avoid mistakes? That pretty much guarantees that not much will be done. It probably left Sabean shivering under his bed. Every move he makes will be bland with a lot of consulting with his cronies, err I mean advisors, so if something goes wrong he can point to them and say, “They all agreed with me.” I would bet he had to clear that LaRoach offer with Neukom before he could make it.
It’s too bad. This offseason was the Giants window of opportunity. They could have had Glaus and Nick Johnson for more than what they actually signed for but less than what the Giants will pay Huff, DeRosa and Molina. This was the time to trade Cain, whose value may never be higher, for a young slugger such as Nelson Cruz or Adam Lind. That would have left the Giants with above average pitching but would give them, for the first time in years, above average hitting. They cudda been a contender.
But it takes guts to make moves like that. Sabean, with Neukom looking sternly over his shoulder, will never make moves like that.
Neukom should go. We need a CEO who knows a little bit about baseball and knows how to properly delegate authority.
All this stuff about Neukom smacks of the same excuses that people would make for Sabean when Magowan was around. It is a crock of BS. Sabean makes the decisions, sets the policy, and executes the player moves. No one is responsible for the constant parade of declining veteran, gritty, gamer types on the down sides of their careers. Sabean is the problem. End of story.
But who is the bigger problem, the idiot who makes the idiot moves, or the idiot who hires the idiot who makes the idiot moves?
I am very unhappy with Bow Tie. Look at Eddie D's first couple moves as onwer. They were not pretty either. My point is not that Bow Tie will be good but that at this stage even the Good ones can look like pure crap.
Yes, bringing in Joe Thomas decimated the franchise, but DeBartolo made up for it by hiring Walsh. Smart managers hire people who are smarter than they are (especially in areas they know nothing about), because it makes them look good. Let's hope that Bowtie learns his lesson.
The G's budget should be at $100mil. I bet they rake in more than that for attendance, parking, and the food alone.
My solution as I have brought up before is to trade Timmy and keep Cain. Timmy is the man now but Cain will still be throwing gas 5 years from now and the odds of Timmy being anywhere near as good are low.
It would take some research but I bet Toronto would be interested and if you could get in touch with a third team like oh say the Marlins... is Sabean crafty enough to be the GM that steals Hanley away from the fish?
Even if we don't get a stud franchise type player like Hanley, getting prospects could be good as well. If we got someone like Hanley or Prince or Markakis in the deal for Timmy it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because I would rather have that money invested in a franchise everyday player then a pitcher.
Think about it, the trade could wait until mid season or next year even but remove Timmy from this team and you still have a pretty bad ass starting pitching staff. In 2011 or 2012 you would be looking at Cain, Sanchez, Zito, Bumgarner, and Wheeler with probably several other options in the minors or free agency.
The risk is worth the reward and I can't say the same about Timmy. He is the best right now but all it takes is one injury and he is hangin out with Mark Prior at card shows signing autographs for 20 bucks a pop.
The reason this is fundamentally unlikely - well, I guess there's two reasons. First, the psychological - it's already difficult enough to go out and give away a guy like Matty when you're a GM, let alone someone like Tim Lincecum who already looks like one of the best players in baseball. Second, the financial - Tim Lincecum brings in much, much more in revenue than Matt Cain, he's a huge draw for the Giants, and I would expect them to consider that.
Of course, that's beyond the obvious "no way in hell are we trading away Tim Lincecum, are you crazy?"
What would be worse, trading away Timmy or signing him to a long term deal only to see him break down. What would this team look like if you trade Cain expecting Timmy to carry us and then he blows out his arm? I would rather have a horse like Cain then take a long term risk on Tiny Tim.
He MAY break down but ANY pitcher MAY break down. His size is why the M's (and others) passed on him and he fell to us in the draft at #10. He has proven size has not been an issue all through Highschool, College (setting records in the Pac 10), Minors and
"The Show." To change a few names (to protect the innocent?) of your post:
What would be worse, trading away Cain or signing him to a long term deal only to see him break down. What would this team look like if you tradeTimmy expecting Cain to carry us and then he blows out his arm? I would rather have a two time Cy Young winner like Timmy then take a long term risk on Cain.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but Timmy is the pitcher you trade for.
The Giants control him at under-market rates for another four years, and he will provide tremendous value.
Check Pedro for durability comps.
Despite conventional wisdom, size isn't everything.
Pato, it is still sacrilege to ever consider trading Timmy. Timmy is a freak of nature.
I think Cain also could get hurt, you never know. Cain has a reasonable contract next
year and may have great trade value as well.
For payroll sanity, I think they have to put a long-term deal for Timmy on the table.
I could live with a deal that would pay him $10 mill for the next two
Years and then $16 mill for the last 5, with some type of injury clause, i.e. 30 starts
Gets you the full $16.
So if we knew $25 mill would be available next year and Timmy's contract would be the same as this year.
If you could adjust J. Sanchez and Wilson the same $2 million that Cain will get, that will be $6 mill.
Might this be the year we see a bang-bang trade in mid-year, something akin to the Matt Williams trade of the nineties. If we've got five strong pitchers mid-year, there would be a certain sense in trading Cain or Sanchez, and if Posey lights up AAA, it would make sense to trade Molina as well. That's a meaty package, enough perhaps for a real offensive upgrade in mid-season.
Should I hold out hope?
I think they would love to trade Molina after Memorial Day and bring Posey up.
I think they would love to trade Molina after Memorial Day and bring Posey up.
And to take it one step further, if we spend $6 million of that $25 million, leaving $19 million in the till, I think the #1 target would be Jayson Werth. We might have to overpay as Lefty has pointed out the pitfalls of drawing players here. But if we could get Werth at $12 mill for 3 years, that would leave us $7 million for maybe another Huff-type of signing and another bullpen arm or bringing Affeldt back.
I think Affeldt can have his shoes filled by Runzler, but this season can tell.
Also on the same track about not drawing hitters, the Giants maybe should have pursued Dunn last year, it did not seem he was unwilling to come. I am not sure I pay Dunn $10 mill next year, but maybe a mid-season acquisition this year?
If you believe in UZR as a defensive stat, it shows that what Dunn gives you on offense he mostly takes away on defense. He really needs to be a DH.
Hiow does his defense compare to Huff. If Huff is not producing by trade deadline, I would explore Dunn. He is still a big body that would not be intimidated by ATT...
Huff is below par at 1B for his career, but not a disaster like Dunn.
Pete I had thet same thought about Werth. But then you start thinking about the other factors there...
Werth plays in the bandbox in Philly hitting behind one of the games top hitters in a stacked lineup...Somehow I doubt Freddie, Pablo and DeRosa will offer the same RBI potential as Rollins, Utley, and Howard.
In my eyes what this team really needs is a legitimate leadoff hitter...it looks too late for this season...but that should be a major priority next year...Schierholtz could be an ideal canidate to bat leadoff if he could work on his OBP, but then the whole lineup needs that fix. As for a Four hole guy Hopefully by 2011 Pablo can hit fourth behind Bench...I mean Posey...
Also like Lefty said Dunn is a stupid move...
Werth I think has legit power from the right side and we have all seen ATT is not as difficult from the right side. I doubt Werth will get $12 mill a year from the Phillies with Rollins a free agent, Howard's contract and the money Victorino and Utley will be getting.
I coudl see the Yanks and Red Sox making plays for him if their left field issues are still up in the air next year. Rowand being here may help lure Werth, let's see. If I were him I probably would jump on the Yankees or Red Sox if that was offered.
and gman, I agree thta leadoff is a prime need and was this off-season. The money that went to DeRosa and Huff could have brought in Chone Figgins and I think that would have been a more outside the box thinking that would have changed this lineup more dramatically than DeRosa and Molina. They could still have brought in Huff and not worried about Molina....Crawford is my #2 target behind Werth...
Another solution could be to cut Rowand after this season and eat the 24 million he is still owed. To offset the cost of eating 24 million they could lower the payroll in 2011 using the money they would have spent on free agents that year to send Rowand away.
Sacrafice one year so that we can keep both Cain and Lincecum. Clear Rowands salary for 2012 and resign Cain. 2011 would be a year where we don't sign any free agents and go with a total youth movement. Guys like Kieshnick, Neal, Noonan, Bond, and Gillespie would all have a chance to prove themselves and the following year we would be in a position to go after a big name or two while still keeping our dominant pitching.
I haven't crunched the numbers or anything but it seems like the only big money committment the Giants have past 2011 would be Zito, Cain, and Lincecum. That basically would clean the slate for the young guys to step up and for a free agent acquisition or two to fill in where needed.
very informative thank youNike Outlet
Yooo bon travail avec ce message! LOL il a fait quelque chose pour moi.
Merci pour l'excellente revue!