Hey, I told my wife on our first date that I was a slop hacker, and she told me it was a turn on. She thought it meant that I was willing to do the dishes.

My concern about any projection with a lineup including Rowand, Renteria, F. Sanchez and DeRosa is that it necessarily presumes a season of good health, which is contrary to these players' history. It is equally likely that these lineup spots will see a lot of Velez, Burriss, and Rohlinger, with the attendant dip in offense.

[I still do the dishes, btw.]

Uribe is an excellent utility player but not an everyday starter by any stretch of the imagination other than in Bochy's head.

My guess is that LaRoche is still on their radar.

They never said that Uribe would be the starter at 3B, just that he could be.

With a 4.5 RS in 2009, the Giants would have won 93 games with the pitching and defense they had.

How "fun." I like this lineup a little better (using the same starters):

1. Rowand (CF)
2. Sanchez (2B)
3. Schierholtz (RF)
4. Sandoval (1B)
5. DeRosa (LF)
6. Uribe (3B)
7. Renteria (SS)
8. Posey (C)
9. Lincecum (P)

magic sprinkles? I was watching some vid of Uribe. He looks HUGE!

Some of his offensive resurrection (best LD% since COL, etc.) could be a product of getting out of the American League....

I agree that people are too much in love with Uribe because of how well he did. Fans have been very fickle, they loved Winn, then hated Winn, then loved Winn for a couple of years, before hating him again last season. I would call it a Winn-Lose scenario. :^)

ELM, you should try the lineup with Sandoval at 3B and Ishikawa at 1B using Bill James projections. His projection is basically what Ishikawa hit after May 9th, .772 OPS, which is much higher than Uribe's projection.

I like that the Giants have made a commitment to keeping Ishikawa around, I think he would be good in a quasi-platoon role with DeRosa or Uribe (Frandsen?) manning 3B while Sandoval moves to 1B against LHP and Ishikawa getting most starts against RHP, though maybe not the ones that he's especially vulnerable to, the ones who can make him swing like a fool.

Uribe was motivated much of last year because he had something to prove and was playing not only for a contract this year but a spot on a major league roster. The motivation is slightly less this year but still there because at the end of the year Uribe will be looking for another contract and will need to have performed well to get one. He isn't an everyday guy but 450 ab's isn't out of the question.

The SAD Facts are that Sabean is the same guy that 'signed' all these 'talented position players' coming up through the system and yet while he tries to replace them with various journeyman and utility players he has been enjoying pretty much a free ride from the local press about how poor his choices and job performance has really been. In reality the guy did some good things in the past, but he is way to 'comfortable' in his job and shows little 'hunger' to win. Just having a quiet afternoon or evening at the park just doesn't cut it anymore.

If you all can recall, when Uribe was palying 2B nearly everyday after Burriss got hurt and before Freddie, he started looking tired and worn down.

I dont think he will be as effective if he plays everyday. Two days at short and 2-3 at third I think will keep him fresher. He will be swinging at every pitch regardless. He may be a good hitter to plug into 5th agaisnt lefties if Pablo is kept in cleanup (which I think is a mistake).

I would also rather keep Pablo at third because he has more defensive upside there than at first. I would platoon DuDRosa over there at first with Ishi starting against most righties and then DuDRosa can play left 2-3 games. Maybe Pablo getting a start a week at first.

Everyone keeps talking LaRoche, did anyone watch the July series in Pittsburgh last year???? LaRoche went 1-12 with 4 strikeouts and looked completely lost with our pitching and you guys want him??? Fuggeddabout it...

We could solve all this madness by picking up Mike Lowell as his injury may not be that big of a deal. I don't have that much information on it and at least one team was scared enough not to sign him, but perhpas we get him for a year. He can hit with pop.

So, stick Lowell at first, Panda at 3rd and Uribe and Rent split SS, Sanchez at 2nd. Decent infield.

Outfield has DeRosa in left, Rownad and the boys in right. I would go with Whiteside catching until Posey can hang.

Sign O-Dog and move Sanchez to 3b, Panda plays 1st. Let Uribe and Renteria battle it out for short, DeRosa in LF, etc...

Orlando Hudson drives in more runs and slugs higher than most of the Giants currentl lineup...

I could see the Nats putting more dollars on the table for Hudson than we can.

Podsednik looks KC bound, all for the better I guess. Rowand at leadoff, where is the barf bucket?

Lowell is close to being done, but he was ok in the first half last year. If the Red Sox pay $9 mill on his contract, I would not object...

I can't stand the thought of Rowand batting leadoff... well I can't stand the thought of Rowand period but in the leadoff spot he would be a complete joke. Why not make a 6 mil 1 year offer to Damon to play RF or LF and bat leadoff? He can still hit and get on base and set the table even outside of the little league field he played in last year. I can't think of any better alternatives and 1 year isn't a big deal...

Y'all are going to look back at this line-up and think it's funny that Posey's hitting 8th while Renteria's going second. That'll be flipped by about game 20, giving the Giants a decent 2 through 5. I really don't like Rowand leading off, though, and wish we could just eat as much of his contract as possible and ... well, what exactly I can't say. Damon gets on base, but I don't want him for more than a year or two. And if his arm's in there, Nate's gotta go everyday to counter-balance it. And Torres needs to man CF, if only for the defense.

Here is another thought for leadoff, Adam Kennedy. He plays infield and outfield so could bounce around much like DeRosa and he would be a better option then Rowand at leadoff. He had a decent year for the A's last year and could still prove useful and would probably come dirt cheap.

With Podsenik (thankfully) off the market, the next chip to fall is whomever the O's will acquire. My guess is Tejada goes back to Baltimore.

The G's will get either LaRoche, possibly at a lower price than the original offer, or Uggla, when the Fish realize they will not be getting anything from anyone on an obvious salary dump.

To think, thee Fish could have acquired J. Sanchez straight up for Uggla a year ago. Pendejos.

The Giants had only one position last year that played above league average. We all know that was third base. So what do the Giants do? Their only off-season signings are for guys who, with the middle infield occupied, would logically play third base. Sabean said Uribe is slated to start at third and DeRosa in left. We can hope that the two will play back to their best seasons but that is unlikely. It is more likely that the two will play back to their career average. Urube’s lifetime is very similar to Pedro Feliz’s without the gold glove:

Pedro Feliz lifetime:
.254 .293 .422 .715
Juan Uribe Lifetime:
.257 .298 .430 .729

Since Sandoval is slated to move to first, Uribe’s bat is basically replacing that of a first baseman. Now, to me, his numbers don’t look good enough to replace a first baseman. But maybe something else is going on. Maybe they plan to bring in Russell Branyan or some other inexpensive pickup to play first and put Sandoval behind the plate until that kid is ready. When Posey comes up to catch, Sandoval can go back to third and Uribe to utility. That would make some sense.

Nothing else does.

I would be nervous about Branyan's back, but he defintely has right field power regardless of the park. I think if we could get Blalock on a simialr deal as Glaus got with the Braves, there would be little risk making that move. Even as a power hitter off the bench...we never had a guy on the bench like Stairs who could smack one out at any time..

Royals got Podsednik on less than $2 mill....seems like it may have been worth the gamble...and the Reds landed Chapman for what will amount to just $1 mill for 2010 and $25 million spread over 10 years...that is the kind of out of the box thinking I want from a GM...